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7/20 Middle East Live Thread
FR Live Thread ^ | 7/20/06 | me

Posted on 07/19/2006 9:51:03 PM PDT by BurbankKarl



TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; hezbollah; hezbullies; hezzies; hizballah; hizbullah; iran; islam; israel; jihad; lebanon; middleeast; muhammadsminions; syria; terrorism; terrorists; ww3
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To: Peach

These will have ties to America, though (anchor babies and such). And that gives them an in.


341 posted on 07/20/2006 5:23:37 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Carolinamom

Hiya Cmom, long time no see.

And from what I understand too, they feel they can abuse or kill their women even if the suspect they are unfaithful, whether a rational suspicion or not.


342 posted on 07/20/2006 5:24:36 AM PDT by del4hope (incompetence is trainable)
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To: justa-hairyape

check out this thread:

CAIRO, Egypt — One of Saudi Arabia's leading Wahhabi sheiks, Abdullah bin Jabreen has issued a strongly worded religious edict, or fatwa, declaring it unlawful to support, join or pray for Hezbollah, the Shiite militias lobbing missiles into northern Israel.

The day after Hezbollah abducted two Israeli soldiers on July 12, Sheik Hamid al-Ali issued an informal statement titled "The Sharia position on what is going on." In it, the Kuwaiti based cleric condemned the imperial ambitions of Iran regarding Hezbollah's cross border raid.

The surprising move demonstrates that Sunni Muslim fundamentalists in the Middle East are deeply divided over whether Moslems should support Hezbollah, Iran's Shiite proxies in the war raging in Lebanon.

While the Gulf's ascetic Wahhabi sects, who are closer to the ethnic fighting between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq, have opposed Hezbollah in its stand against Israel's forces, other Sunni fundamentalist groups, such as the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, have pledged their solidarity. On Friday, the brothers will host a rally in support of Hezbollah at Cairo's most influential mosque, Al-Azhar.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1669059/posts


343 posted on 07/20/2006 5:24:54 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: rebel_yell2
...I got out on the Orient Queen and am now in Athens en route home...

Hey Reb, good to hear you got out.

344 posted on 07/20/2006 5:26:09 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Why aren't lawyers ever accused of price gouging?)
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To: del4hope

Hi to you too, del4hope. Are you as disgusted and angry as I am at the ingratitude of some of the evacuees?


345 posted on 07/20/2006 5:26:37 AM PDT by Carolinamom (Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. ---Barry Goldwater)
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To: Kakaze

A: Were their husbands with them? If not, where are they?
We need to know

(Re: Rebel Yell's post on the ship, why is it they're not speaking English if they're citizens... dual or otherwise... and they call some nativists, they have a point on this one).

B: Are they at least keeping a list of addresses and phone numbers/next of kin in US

C: Those who said they will be going back... would be going back now.


346 posted on 07/20/2006 5:28:21 AM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names. Vlad fatwa)
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To: Carolinamom

Yes, I woke up to David whatshisname interview. GRRRR.


347 posted on 07/20/2006 5:29:01 AM PDT by del4hope (incompetence is trainable)
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To: Carolinamom

They aren't evacuees....they are ambassadors from Hezbollah.


348 posted on 07/20/2006 5:35:20 AM PDT by RasterMaster ("Big Tents" you get Clowns & Circus Freaks! The road to HELL is paved with LIEberals!)
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To: BurbankKarl
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060720/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel;_ylt=AuVGGx0M7PdzGf.wZBquHdys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Israel hints at a full-scale invasion

By HUSSEIN DAKROUB, Associated Press Writer

8 minutes ago



Israeli troops met fierce resistance from Hezbollah guerrillas Thursday as they crossed into Lebanon to seek tunnels and weapons for a second straight day, and Israel hinted at a full-scale invasion.

Israeli warplanes also launched new airstrikes on Beirut's southern suburbs, a Hezbollah stronghold, shortly after daybreak, followed by strikes in the guerrillas' heartland in the south and eastern Bekaa Valley.

The strikes followed bombings Wednesday that killed as many as 70 people, according to Lebanese television, making it the deadliest day since the fighting began July 12.

Russia sharply criticized Israel over its onslaught against Lebanon, now in its ninth day, sparked when Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers. The Russian Foreign Ministry said Israel's actions have gone "far beyond the boundaries of an anti-terrorist operation" and repeating calls for an immediate cease-fire.

At least 306 people have been killed in Lebanon since the Israeli campaign began, according to the security forces control room that collates casualties. In Israel, 29 people have been killed, including 14 soldiers. The U.N. has said at least a half- million people have been displaced in Lebanon.

The USS Nashville anchored off the coast of Lebanon began to evacuate 1,200 Americans, while hundreds more Europeans also fled on ships — continuing one of the largest evacuation operations since World War II. An estimated 13,000 foreign nationals have been evacuated from Lebanon.

About 40 U.S. Marines arrived at a beach just north of Beirut in a landing craft and picked up 300 Americans who they ferried to the amphibious assault ship USS Nashville just off the coast. The Nashville is supposed to sail for Cyprus with about 1,000 Americans.

Hundreds of people, some with shirts draped over their heads to protect themselves from the sun, gathered on the beach. A U.S. Embassy official, speaking through a megaphone, pleaded for patience, reassuring the crowd that all those who registered to be evacuated would be assisted.

"We are frustrated and disappointed, but we are O.K.," said Bob Elazon, an Illinois resident who complained that the U.S. evacuation was badly organized.

Elazon, who left his native Lebanon 34 years ago, was with his 20-year-old daughter, Anna, who was visiting the country for the first time. His wife departed just before the fighting erupted.

Meanwhile, the first plane carrying U.S. evacuees landed outside Baltimore early Thursday, and eager family members waited to greet the 145 Americans aboard the charter flight from Cyprus.

Some 900 Americans arrived in Cyprus early Thursday aboard a luxury cruise ship — the first mass U.S. evacuation from Lebanon since the Israeli airstrikes started more than a week ago.

It was among dozens of cruise ships evacuating thousands of foreigners from Lebanon. Some 8,000 of 25,000 U.S. citizens in Lebanon have asked to leave. So many people were leaving Lebanon that boats were forced to line up outside Beirut harbor and had to wait before docking in Cyprus.

Israel's series of small ground forays across the border have aimed to push back Hezbollah guerrillas who have continued to fire rockets into northern Israel despite more than a week of massive bombardment against them — raising the question of whether air power alone can suppress them. Guerrillas fired 25 rockets into Israel on Thursday, which caused no casualties.

But the guerrillas have been fighting back hard on the ground, wounding three Israeli soldiers Thursday, a day after killing two. An Israeli unit sent in to ambush Hezbollah guerrillas also had a fierce gunbattle Thursday with a cell of militants.

In another clash, just across the border from the Israeli town of Avivim, guerrillas fired a missile at an Israeli tank, seriously wounding one soldier. Hezbollah said in a statement that its guerrillas destroyed two tanks as they tried to enter the Lebanese border village of Maroun al-Ras, across from Avivim.

Israel has mainly limited itself to attacks from the air and sea, reluctant to send in ground troops on terrain dominated by Hezbollah.

But an Israeli army spokesman refused to rule out the possibility of a full-scale invasion. Israel also broadcast warnings into south Lebanon on Wednesday telling civilians to leave the region, a possible prelude to a larger Israeli ground operation.

"There is a possibility — all our options are open. At the moment, it's a very limited, specific incursion but all options remain open," Capt. Jacob Dallal, an Israeli army spokesman, told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Israel dropped leaflets Wednesday night warning the population that any trucks traveling in Lebanese towns south of the Litani River would be suspected of carrying weapons and rockets and could be targeted by its forces.

The Lebanese government is under international pressure to deploy troops in the south to rein in Hezbollah guerrillas — but even before the fighting many considered it too weak to do so without deeply fracturing the country.

An Italian newspaper quoted Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora on Thursday as making his strongest statement yet against the Shiite militant group. But Saniora's office quickly said he was misquoted.

The Milan-based Corriere della Sera quoted him as saying in an interview that Hezbollah has created a "state within a state," adding: "The entire world must help us disarm Hezbollah. But first we need to reach a cease-fire."

Saniora later issued a statement denying the remarks. He said he told the paper that the international community must help press Israel from Chebaa Farms, a small border area that Lebanon claims and Hezbollah points to as proof of the continued need for armed resistance.

Saniora told the paper that "the continued presence of Israeli occupation of Lebanese lands in the Chebaa Farms region is what contributes to the presence of Hezbollah weapons. The international community must help us in (getting) an Israeli withdrawal from Chebaa Farms so we can solve the problem of Hezbollah's arms," the statement said. There was no immediate comment from the Italian paper.

On Wednesday, Saniora appealed for a cease-fire, saying his country "has been torn to shreds." Warplanes pounded areas in the south where Hezbollah operates — but civilian residential neighborhoods bore the brunt, with dozens of houses destroyed.

Dallal said Israel had hit "1,000 targets in the last eight days — 20 percent were missile-launching sites and the rest were control and command centers, missiles and so forth."

Brig. Gen. Ido Nehushtan insisted the Israeli army never targets civilians but has no way of knowing whether civilians are in an area they are striking. "Civilians might be in the area because Hezbollah is operating from civilian territory," Nehushtan said.

He said that Hezbollah has fired more than 1,100 rockets at civilian areas in Israel since the fighting erupted and that 12 percent — or about 750,000 people — of Israel's population currently live in areas that can be targeted by the guerrilla group.

Israel said its airstrikes so far have destroyed about half of Hezbollah's arsenal — and it has been trying to take out its top leaders.

The Israeli military said Wednesday that aircraft dropped 23 tons of explosives on what the military believed was a bunker used by senior Hezbollah leaders in the Bourj al-Barajneh neighborhood of Beirut between 8 p.m. and 9 p.m.

Hezbollah said none of its members were hurt in the strike and denied a leadership bunker was in the area, saying a building under construction to be a mosque was hit.

Hezbollah has a headquarters compound in Bourj al-Barajneh that is off limits to the Lebanese police and army, so security officials could not confirm the strike.

Israel's U.N. Ambassador Dan Gillerman told CNN his country would not issue a statement about the attack until it is sure of all the facts. But he added, "I can assure you that we know exactly what we hit. ... This was no religious site. This was indeed the headquarters of the Hezbollah leadership."

On Thursday, Israeli jets struck houses believed used by Hezbollah officials in the town of Hermel in the western Bekaa Valley, wounding at least three.

Israeli warplanes also attacked and destroyed a five-story residential and commercial building that reportedly once held a Hezbollah office in the Bekaa Valley city of Baalbek, a Hezbollah stronghold, witnesses said. There was no immediate word on casualties.

Two civilians were killed late Wednesday in strikes on bridges in Lebanon's far north, near Tripoli, the National News Agency said.

Israeli jets also raided a detention center in the town of Khiam in south Lebanon Thursday, witnesses and local TV said. The notorious Khiam prison, formerly run by Israel's Lebanese militia allies during its occupation of south Lebanon, was entirely destroyed in four bombing runs by Israeli jets, they said.

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour criticized the growing death toll, saying the indiscriminate shelling of cities and of nearby military sites was invariably resulting in the deaths of innocent civilians.

"International law demands accountability," Arbour said in Geneva. "The scale of the killings in the region, and their predictability, could engage the personal criminal responsibility of those involved, particularly those in a position of command and control."

International pressure mounted on Israel and the United States to agree to a cease-fire. The rising death toll and scope of the destruction deepened a rift between the U.S. and Europe.

The Bush administration is giving Israel a tacit green light to take the time it needs to neutralize Hezbollah, but the Europeans fear mounting civilian casualties will play into the hands of militants and weaken Lebanon's democratically elected government.

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Associated Press reporters Joe Panossian in Beirut and Maria Sanminiatelli in Larnaca, Cyprus, contributed to this report.
349 posted on 07/20/2006 5:36:43 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: ken5050
Re the raid into Lebanon yesterday, when the Israeli special forces were ambushed, and tragically, two killed, by Hezbollah...Could this have been an attempt by the Israelis to snatch a few Iranian soldiers?

I suppose that's possible, but my first thought was that the IDF had information that the two kidnapped Israelis in Hezbollah hands were in those tunnels. If they're not bombing the tunnels to collapse them, then I'd bet that's why.

350 posted on 07/20/2006 5:37:23 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Liberals aren't having so much fun now that the rabbit has the gun. --Ann Coulter)
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To: Right_in_Virginia; Miss Marple

re: egg sucking NY lib wanna be jahadi punk

Don't worry, i'll look for that clown at the next pro-hez rally...
I hope you guys have bail money... and yes, it will be televised if possible.


351 posted on 07/20/2006 5:40:19 AM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names. Vlad fatwa)
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To: Rte66

Did you hear the NY guy's name on Fox... the so-called Lebanese guy? Looking for the video, not up yet.
Probably Helen Thomas' grandson.


353 posted on 07/20/2006 5:42:54 AM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names. Vlad fatwa)
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To: Carolinamom
According to an Islamic female of my acquaintance, the Koran allows Muslim men to marry Christian, Jewish, etc. women but FORBIDS Muslim women from marrying anyone other than Muslim men.

I can understand the laws against Muslim women marrying anyone else, but I still don't understand if infidels are lower than dirt then why would a Muslim man want anything to do with them or accept children born of them.

I had a Muslim boss once who was totally out there. He was a horrid little creature. Walked in first day to tell me he didn't like me without even knowing me. Then he realized I was left-handed and couldn't be in the same room with me. He would have the right-handed secretary put my folders in a box I suppose so he wouldn't have to touch them until they aired. You can imagine his near stroke when I brought him a watermelon a client had sent him (it's a rural community and folks with abundant gardens/farms give any and everything away). He refused to touch it and couldn't get out of my building fast enough like it was the plague. The big mucky mucks didn't understand our complaints of the weirdo even when every single one in the department quit within months. Mindboggling. This was back when I was young and naive, so what I wouldn't do to know then what I know now.

355 posted on 07/20/2006 5:43:51 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: BurbankKarl

My cousin is back from serving there since last October, his second tour. I am proud of him. He sent me a picture posing with an award he received just before he left.


356 posted on 07/20/2006 5:45:15 AM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: mtbopfuyn

U.S. Marines help evacuees board a landing craft on a beach in Beirut, Lebanon.

357 posted on 07/20/2006 5:45:20 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
The Cabinet Secretary says its not on the agenda. The Defense Minister is not ruling it out. Which leads me to believe the Israelis want to keep Hezbollah off balance and keep them guessing when and where Israel will strike next. Disinformation after all is part and parcel of the fog of war.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em, Down Hezbullies.)

358 posted on 07/20/2006 5:45:58 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: AliVeritas

It is several places in this thread. Even pictures. Never made the connection to Helen. Probably so.


359 posted on 07/20/2006 5:46:02 AM PDT by del4hope (incompetence is trainable)
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To: MinorityRepublican

A U.S. Marine carries two children to a landing craft to be ferried out of Beirut on Thursday.

360 posted on 07/20/2006 5:46:07 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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