Posted on 07/13/2006 8:22:00 AM PDT by itsinthebag
Developing . . .
Colin Powell isn't running away from what he said about the tubes we had in our possession.
In 2002, in the run up to the Invasion of Iraq, the CIA reported to Congress that some analysts believed that the aluminum tubes might have multiple uses, including use as a rocket bodies, and that all intelligence experts agreed that Iraq remained intent on acquiring nuclear weapons and that these tubes, if modified, could be used in a centrifuge enrichment program. There was disagreement about whether the centrifuge was their intended use.
http://www.odci.gov/cia/reports/721_reports/july_dec2002.htm#4
As to the Department of Energy not agreeing centrifuges were to be used to enrich uranium, former U.N. weapons inspector David Albright said he found significant disagreement among scientists within the Department of Energy and other agencies about the certainty of the evidence. Disagreement means that some believed the administration's position and some did not. So your statement that the DOE didn't agree with the administration is not correct.
The report stated that the Department of Energy and the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research believed that the tubes were "intended for conventional weapons," while other intelligence agencies, including some at the CIA, believed that the tubes were intended for nuclear enrichment. [4] All the analysts believed that the tubes could be modified for use in a centrifuge. (Read that last sentence carefully).
A June 4, 2003 article in the Financial Times reported that "French intelligence had seized a separate shipment of tubes to the US, and tested their tolerance by spinning them to 98,000 revolutions per minute, concluding they were too sophisticated to have alternative uses."
And you'll have to point me to the section where I said that a news report is absolute proof of anything. I pointed out to you that the freeper was reporting what Israeli officials have said which is a little stronger than a mere news report.
OK, I'll buy that. But I hear a lot that the Israelites were guilty of some sort of national sin by moving into the territory and expelling the inhabitants. However, if you accept the biblical history, it seems like you have to accept God's hand in what they did. I mean, they refused to do it once and he made them wander in the desert for 40 years.
Wouldn't take much...Saddam's WMD are buried underground in the Bekaa Valley. We wouldn't even have to use WMD ourselves, but of course, we would get the blame anyway.
Exactly.
I've said that the entire reason for the made up outrage over Plame's name being used is to obscure the fact that the Bipartisan Senate Report (without one single Democrat dissenting) stated that Joe Wilson lied when he said that Iraq wasn't trying to buy yellowcake.
The report further stated that Wilson told them that his trip confirmed the CIA's view that Iraq was trying to purchase yellowcake.
All of which was obscured because the Democrats did what they always do. Fake outrage over a minor point to detract attention from the real point. The real point being that their new hero, Joe Wilson, was a liar and in fact confirmed the Bush administration's viewpoints.
Not that I've seen.
I know He is in control.
Since I fear His righteous judgement, I think there is every reason to be afraid.
>>>Also, like I told my 21 year old son yesterday, watch all that's happening now, because you are seeing history being made at this very moment. This is quite possibly something you'll remember (and will talk about) for a long time to come.>>>
But everyone I know is shrugging it off (if they even know about it). It's not on the news blurbs and it seems as if people are considering just another 'skirmish', business as usual in the Middle East. But this FEELS different.
Iran is playing this up so they could neutralize Israels nukes.
Simply put, Iran is going to go to the UN and say how dangerous Israel is with nukes and that either Israel gets rid of theirs or Iran will build theirs for deensive purposes.
This is nothing more than Iran thuggery bordering on blackmail. They are hoping the US does the same thing to Israel that they did to them during the first gulf war. They are hoping that Bush Jr. is like Bush Sr and Bush calls for restraint.
I think Iran is holding a good hand. Israel has no choice but to escalate. They will bomb everything in the path from Israel to Iran so the Iranians cannot get to Israel. Israel will just fly over Iraq with US refueling.
Plan to see Syrian airfields destroyed shortly.
For the record, I accept both. :^)
I'm sure of it, including the dog-eating chiapet's antics of last week.
Very true.
Quite possibly.
Quite possibly.
:^)
So, you think DOE personnel knew that these tubes were designed for centrifuges and concocted a report that they were not for... well, I have no idea what you are contending their motive for doing so would be.
Find me a single, solitary statement from someone who designs or builds centrifuges who says that these tubes were designed for such use, and you might have a shred of a point. But it is extremely weak to accuse them of producing bogus reports to further an agenda if you can't identify anyone knowledgable about the process who disagrees with their reports.
I believe they declared war. Bush gave them the green light. They should go in an kick the crap out of Hezbollah. We should send forces along to poke around in the bekka Vally, might find something interesting.
Just a place holder, sweetie.
As a Christian, what makes you think that Israel proper has anything to do with the New Israel/the New Jerusalem promised by Christ? And - hypothetically speaking - how do you know the Jewish people are better off having re-created the Israeli state? I'm sure six million Jews would have preferred remaining dispersed and Hitler nothing more than a mediocre oil painter.
I agree, there is no reason to fear. But God does not and cannot positively will evil. End of story. He allows man his free will to do evil, and He can allow evil men to come to power as a proxy for punishment, and yes, He KNOWS everything, but He does not CAUSE everything. Otherwise, there would be no free will whatsoever. God did not WILL the Holocaust. He can bring good from evil, but there was nothing more profoundly disordered than the genocide of the Jews, and that can only come from a place of evil origin and intent. What occurred afterwards happened IN SPITE of the Holocaust, not BECAUSE of it.
Do you also contend that the DOE, for some unexplained reason, fabricated their assessment on the tubes?
The World Tribune reported on Perricos's briefing. "He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month... The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters ... required for the production of chemical and biological warheads. 'It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is it now and what is it being used for,' Perricos's spokesman, said. 'You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it to breed anthrax.'"
Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, head of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, said vehicle traffic photographed by U.S. spy satellites indicated that material and documents related to the arms programs were shipped to Syria."
"Last month Moshe Yaalon, who was Israel's top general at the time, said Iraq transported WMD to Syria six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began.
Last March, John A. Shaw, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said Russian Spetsnaz units moved WMD to Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.
"While in Iraq I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives," Mr. Shaw told NewsMax reporter Charles Smith.
Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong was deputy commander of Central Command during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In September 2004, he told WABC radio that "I do know for a fact that some of those weapons went into Syria, Lebanon and Iran."
In January 2004, David Kay, the first head of the Iraq Survey Group which conducted the search for Saddam's WMD, told a British newspaper there was evidence unspecified materials had been moved to Syria from Iraq shortly before the war.
"We know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD program," Mr. Kay told the Sunday Telegraph.
Also that month, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who defected to an undisclosed European country, told a Dutch newspaper he knew of three sites where Iraq's WMD was being kept. They were the town of al Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria; the Syrian air force base near the village of Tal Snan, and the city of Sjinsar on the border with Lebanon.
In an addendum to his final report last April, Charles Duelfer, who succeeded David Kay as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said he couldn't rule out a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria.
"There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation," Mr. Duelfer said."
"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).
"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved."
"Two days before the war, on March 17th, we saw through multiple intelligence channels - both human intelligence and technical (satellite,eavesdrop) intelligence - large caravans of people and things, including some of the top 55 Iraqis, going to Syria."
Interesting perspective. Could be accurate.
This war will involve us back here at home.
I am not optimistic.
Stock up on water and canned foods.
Gas up the Zodiac and the mopeds.
never
I believe you are messing with definitions which makes making a point almost impossible. Also this is way off topic for this thread. But in one tiny and probably futile attempt to make a point, consider Job.
""But the report said the real operational radius was shorter because the planes would have to fly at low altitude to avoid radar detection. Brom said the Israeli aircraft could avoid Iranian air defense but would be detected.""
The only thing that was not assumed is that the US can refuel Israels jets above Iraq.
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