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To: Dead Corpse
"But Amendments are special cases apparently. There are no "collective" Rights as the numerous quotations by the Founders have proven time and time again. No where else in the Constitution, or historical documentation, is the theory of "collective Rights" espoused in any manner."

The RKBA protected by state constitutions is an individual right. If the Founders, or any others, were talking about individual rights, they were referring to their state.

The second amendment only applies to the federal government and the laws Congress writes. The second amendment has nothing to do with individuals' RKBA. That right is protected by your state constitution.

"And you cheerlead this fiction"

Nope. I merely state the facts. You don't like the facts, and would like to stick with your fantasy.

You would have the people just sit back, telling them the second amendment will protect them. You're more dangerous to gun owners than Sarah Brady with that ignorant thinking.

57 posted on 07/13/2006 12:27:47 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
"Your fantasy":

The second amendment only applies to the federal government and the laws Congress writes. The second amendment has nothing to do with individuals' RKBA.

Cheerleading for Collective Rights and Majority Rule.

58 posted on 07/13/2006 12:48:13 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: robertpaulsen
The RKBA protected by state constitutions is an individual right. If the Founders, or any others, were talking about individual rights, they were referring to their state.

Which is an outright lie according to every historical source on the debates of the issue. One you should know better by now than to try and repeat. We point out that the Founders meant "no free man shall be debarred the use of arms" and you come back with some crap about the States being able to ignore the Constitution that they are subject to.

You are the one upholding the Brady logic used by the Courts to restrict RKBA.

60 posted on 07/13/2006 1:22:39 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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