[Aussie Dasher]

These faux Christians disgust me!

[Guenevere]

Apostate!..Apostate!..Apostate!

[rottndog]

Jesus never said anything about Internet porn, crack cocaine, or suicide bombings either so I guess they are OK too.

[DManA]

Jesus never endorced huge government give-aways. Jesus never endorced huge government. These things must be anti-Christian.

Christianity should focus on eradicating poverty

[Tall_Texan]

Jesus never said anything about protecting the environment.

[Mr. Brightside]

Who is this Jesus that they keep talking about?

Last week Ted Kennedy said that Jesus supported a raise in the minimum wage.

[Presbyterian Reporter]

Where are the Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopals, and the UCC? Why are they not saying anything? It is their money that keeps Edgar in his job at the NCC.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Why would a homosexual need an abortion?

[marvlus]

Perhaps God the Son never said anything, but God the Father did.

[marvlus]

Perhaps God the Son never said anything, but God the Father did.

[madison10]

He didn't have to. He came to fulfill the Law, not destroy it: The Law said "do not murder" and "do not lay with mankind as with womankind." Jesus backed the Law up as a whole and didn't have to quote it every few minutes...many Jews knew it by heart.

The faux Christians, and I use that term Christian VERY loosely, disgust me as well.

[Steve_Seattle]

“Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, never said one word about civil marriage or abortion,” said Dr. Edgar to CBS News . . . "

And the reason he didn't was that no one in Jewish society was advocating any of those things; they were not matters that were in dispute. The fact that he said nothing indicates his agreement with standard Jewish views on those matters; it does not imply dissent from those views.

[Bryan24]

Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

That is Christ talking. Basic reading comprehension.

[MayflowerMadam]

Hubby checked "Dr Bob Edgar's" bio. He has a BS and masters in divinity. No PhD, yet goes by "Dr."

Hubby (a PhD) called NCC and asked about it. They said it's because he has three (vs 4 on web page) "honorary" doctorates. Hubby doesn't know of anyone who goes by "Dr" based on an honorary degree, and he pressed the issue with the NCC rep.

The NCC rep stated that he knew of several in the academic and religious community who did. When asked for one example, the guy couldn't give even one name.

Sounds like this group (NCC) is a full of frauds.

[Glenmerle]

“Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, never said one word about civil marriage or abortion,” said Dr. Edgar

This is the sort of argument children make.

In any case, if one believes in the Trinity, Jesus, who is one with the Father, certainly DID make a statement about homosexuality. But perhaps the Trinity has gone out of fashion.

[longtermmemmory]

This is all Wallis. The DNC hired gun who is there to say that conservatives have hijacked christianity and it really really does not say the 10 commandments are what they say they are.

This a lunatic fringe trying to say they are 1/2 of christianity. This is divide and conque politics.

Remember democrats need division in order to maintain power. A disperate set of groups to whom they can bestow government favors.

[MEGoody]

Apparently, this guy doesn't think Jesus is God. That means he's not a Christian, so what he has to say doesn't count.

[P8riot]

Considering the fact that Christ claimed to be God, and the scripture is considered by us Christians to be the inspired Word of God, and the scriptures clearly speak out against homosexuality, then we can assume that Christ had quite a bit to say about the subject.

To conclude otherwise denies the deity of Christ and is patently un-Christian.

[Buggman]

You know, we can (and quite usually do) disagree honestly on questions of how certain aspects of Torah-observance carry over into New Covenant practice--not to mention on questions of eschatology, ecclesiology, predestination vs. freewill, covenental relationships, etc.--but we all agree on the Bible as God's written Word, in which is full expressed God's will, just as Yeshua, the Living Word, is He in whom "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2:9).

What's truly frightening is how many are either so ignorant or so corrupt and willfully blind that they can't figure out what Yeshua's teachings on homosexuality and abortion are. To wit:

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. --Mat. 5:18
(Well, that pretty much covers whether the commandments on sexual deviancy and sacrificing children to Molech [or Convenience] still stand.)

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. --vv. 27-28
(So is someone going to try to claim that one's not allowed to lust after the opposite sex, but lusting after one's own sex is perfectly okay? "So let homosexuals marry," someone might argue. Ah, but there's a problem with that . . . )

And He answered and said unto them, "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?'" --Mat. 19:4-5
(What, you mean that Yeshua defined marriage to exclude men marrying men or women marrying women? How politically incorrect!)

And on the subject of abortion, one could point out that the Master upheld (and even expanded) the commandment against murder, that He forbade anyone from prohibiting the children from being brought to Him, and pronounced a curse against any who would cause "a little one" to stumble (fall into sin; Mat. 18), let alone scrape them out of the womb like a cancer! One could also point out that He agreed with the presumption of the Sadducees that it was one's moral duty to bring children into the world (Mat. 22:24).

Pardon me, I need to go find a place to scream in incoherant rage for a few minutes.

[fwdude]

Always refreshing and pertinent, though the earthly life of this prophet ended in the early 60's before "progressives" got a foothold.

Tozer Devotional

Collective Writings from the Books of A.W. Tozer
Wednesday, July 12, 2006
The Divine Conquest
Chapter #9
Why the World Cannot Receive

Eternal Reward

In the First Epistle of John two words are used over and over, the words they and ye, and they designate two wholly different worlds. They refers to the men and women of Adam's fallen world; ye refers to the chosen ones who have left all to follow Christ. The apostle does not genuflect to the little god Tolerance (the worship of which has become in America a kind of secondary surface religion); he is bluntly intolerant. He knows that tolerance may be merely another name for indifference. It takes a vigorous faith to accept the teaching of the man John. It is so much easier to blur the lines of separation and so offend no one. Pious generalities and the use of we to mean both Christians and unbelievers is much safer. The fatherhood of God can be stretched to include everyone from Jack the Ripper to Daniel the Prophet. Thus no one is offended and everyone feels quite snug and ready for heaven. But the man who laid his ear on Jesus' breast was not so easily deceived. He drew a line to divide the race of men into two camps, to separate the saved from the lost, those who shall rise to eternal reward from them that shall sink to final despair. On one side are they that know not God; on the other ye (or with a change of person, we), and between the two is a moral gulf too wide for any man to cross.

Prayer
We assert, Father, that we are on Your side; we denounce this world and its temporal enticements.

Scripture
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
—1 John 2:15

Thought
Tolerance may be merely another name for indifference.

[Zeon Cowboy]

You know, if Christianity was only about that which was recorded as being spoken aloud by Jesus Christ, the bible would be about 30-40 pages long. There are thousands of years of prior history that go along with it. In a way, Jesus "rewrote the rules" when he saved our souls from damnation, but he did not in any way lower or relax the moral standards that God's people should hold themselves to. He actually raised them significantly.

I don't get this logic that "Well, if Jesus didn't say anything about it, then it must be okay." Why would Jesus have spoken about abortion or something as then-completely unheard of as gay marriage? And as for homosexuality in general, if God wasn't okay with it in the Old Testament, what makes them think that he's changed his mind since then? Just because Jesus didn't have time to talk about it? You know, his ministry only lasted a couple of years and he had a couple of other, more pressing matters to attend to, like, oh, I don't know, saving mankind? He was a great teacher, but a savior before that. Merely because Jesus did not address the issue does not mean that he was neutral towards it. To my knowledge, Jesus never spoke about incest - does this mean that he was okay with it? Of course not.

Perhaps the answer to the issue of homosexuality was such a non-issue in those days that the writers of the gospel did not even see fit to record it, even if Jesus did say something about it. Immoral then, immoral now - it was the same as it has always been. They probably preferred to focus on writing down the new teachings that Jesus brought.