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iThenticate's Barrie: "we caught the speechwriter for Hillary Clinton plagiarizing"
KCRA | 6:30 p.m. newscast, July 6 | KCRA (NBC Sacramento)

Posted on 07/11/2006 10:13:59 PM PDT by StAnDeliver

Anchor: "And with us now is the president and CEO of the firm called iThenticate. Thank you for being with us tonight..."

**Later (long interview)**

Q: "When the Post asks you to go after Ann Coulter, did you know what were you getting into there?"

Barrie: "Well, this is what happened. The Post came to us originally and they were doing a story about how Oprah Winfrey was using our technology to screen things for her show. And the Post wanted to see an example of how our technology worked. So they took a 2005 speech from Hillary Clinton and ran it through our service. And right off the bat, we caught the speechwriter for Hillary Clinton plagiarizing. And the journalist from the Post said what else can we run through your service? And a couple weeks later as the brouhaha about Ann Coulter and what she said about the 9-11 widows was reaching its peak, the New York Post called me back and said Ann Coulter's book "Godless" is what we want to run through your system. They digitized the book and took one year of her syndicated columns and sent it over to us to analyze."

Q: "What did you find?"

Barrie: "And we found as I mentioned, found some textbook cases of plagiarism in both her syndicated columns and in the book. And after finding about three or four instances in the book and three or four instances in the column, I said look, I just had enough of reading Ann Coulter and the Post said 'That's enough for us. There's our story.' And case proven I guess."



TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; coulter; hillary; jonbarrie; obama; plagiarism; politico
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To: tortoise
No, I'm not an attorney. If you are one, perhaps you can answer this question: On the iThenticate website they claim their database has licensed published works, journal articles, etc. that are not available on the Internet through search engines like Google.

Why would iThenticate think they need to license journal articles to enter them in their database unless their own attorneys were worried about possible copyright violations?

21 posted on 07/12/2006 12:20:36 AM PDT by BigBobber
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After checking the list of supposed plagarisms, I reccommend:

Sell iThenticate stock..


22 posted on 07/12/2006 12:38:45 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: StAnDeliver
And the Post wanted to see an example of how our technology worked. So they took a 2005 speech from Hillary Clinton and ran it through our service. And right off the bat, we caught the speechwriter for Hillary Clinton plagiarizing.

Speechwriter, eh? I kind of remember Joe Biden taking the fall for plagiarizing Neil Kinnock. Why does the speechwriter get in trouble and not Hitlery???

23 posted on 07/12/2006 12:52:57 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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To: StAnDeliver
Barrie: "And we found as I mentioned, found some textbook cases of plagiarism in both her syndicated columns and in the book. And after finding about three or four instances in the book and three or four instances in the column, I said look, I just had enough of reading Ann Coulter and the Post said 'That's enough for us. There's our story.' And case proven I guess."

Did I fall asleep and miss something?? The way this reads to me, Coulter plagiarized from herself!! So, how is that plagiarism? This guy just sounds like a leftist moron who is trying to dish some dirt on our beloved Ann (re-read "I said look, I just had enough of reading Ann Coulter"; he reveals a lot about himself, there).
24 posted on 07/12/2006 5:11:12 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Michael.SF.
"Certainly if Ford was caught trying to defame Chevy,"

Whoa - this cold medicine must be working well. I'm thinking to myself, 'why would Gerald Ford want to defame Chevy Chase?' I think I need some caffiene or something...

25 posted on 07/12/2006 5:35:24 AM PDT by Dooderbutt (It's God's job to judge the terrorists. It's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: null and void

"Hmmmmmm, isn't making an unauthorized digital copy of a book a copyright infringement?"

Only if you do it for profit. Which they did.


26 posted on 07/12/2006 5:37:54 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: tbeatty
Right. And iThenticate has been publishing extensive word-for-for excerpts of Coulter's books and columns to boost the sales of their own plagiarism detection program.

What are they going to say, "All we published were the excepts that she plagiarized"?

Double-busted, pal.

This is pure horse hockey, which is why even the lame stream media has not gone gone full bore after this story. The would-be critics make their own living with words and are reluctant to have iThenticate run them through the same hypervigilent filter. The point is, when you're reporting lists and matters of a purely factual nature, what Ann Coulter did falls well within established and accepted practice.

27 posted on 07/12/2006 5:48:42 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: tbeatty
Right. And iThenticate and the Post have been publishing extensive word-for-word excerpts of Coulter's books and columns to boost the sales of their own products.

What are they going to say, "All we published were the excepts that she plagiarized"?

Double-busted, pal.

This is pure horse hockey, which is why even the lame stream media has not gone gone full bore after this story. The would-be critics make their own living with words and are reluctant to have iThenticate run them through the same hypervigilent filter. The point is, when you're reporting lists and matters of a purely factual nature, what Ann Coulter did falls well within established and accepted practice.

28 posted on 07/12/2006 5:49:58 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: BigBobber
Not if you bought it. They aren't using the digitized version for commercial purposes. Doesn't matter how they cot a copy of the book. Making a digital copy for commercial purposes violates the copyright. Check out the iThenticate website and you will see it is definitely a commercial enterprise.

I would think if this company was paid for their services by the Post, they have in fact violated the copyright.

29 posted on 07/12/2006 5:55:52 AM PDT by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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To: DustyMoment

Note that they said, "textbook cases". This may be something as simple as someone having paraphrased or quoted something they read a long time ago and had forgotten the source or even that it needed attribution.


30 posted on 07/12/2006 6:05:52 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: StAnDeliver

The big problem with iThenticate being used as the sole device to prove plagiarism is that it's a word matching program. Plagiarism, OTOH, is the deliberate stealing of another person's work and representing it as one's own. Word matches are a necessary part of it but don't necessarily prove intent. In other words, it's a lot like a computerized fingerprint identification program--it gives an investigator very good leads about what to look into but doesn't actually prove a case without that further investigation. In Ann's case the further investigation has shown there actually was no plagiarism.

Another good analogy is to a computer spell checking program. All any one of those does is catch unknown words; however, a computer spell check, vital as it is, is only the first step in cleaning up a document before it's released. The author still must proof the document to assure that words are properly used in context.


31 posted on 07/12/2006 6:24:24 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: StAnDeliver
They're saying Coulter is plagiarizing from herself? Wow, they're desperate.
32 posted on 07/12/2006 6:27:35 AM PDT by Vision ("...cause those liberal freaks go to farrrrrr")
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To: aruanan
Note that they said, "textbook cases".

Yeah, I caught that. The whole thing sounds VERY confused/confusing - a sure indication that the MSM thinks they have an issue. Unfortunately for them, there is neither smoke, NOR fire. The alleged instances of "plagiarism" contained in the list provided by another poster look to me as though Ann is quoting fact versus stealing someone else's work. Not the same thing as plagiarism.
33 posted on 07/12/2006 6:55:31 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Dooderbutt
'why would Gerald Ford want to defame Chevy Chase?'

Maybe because he saw European Vacation?

34 posted on 07/12/2006 7:37:27 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Nothing says "SLUTT", like a tattoo on the BUTT)
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To: tbeatty
If they made a false accusation with malice, then there is libel/slander.

Thanks for the input. There is no doubt in my mind that they did this with malice, but proving it is another thing, that is a certainty.

35 posted on 07/12/2006 7:39:36 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Nothing says "SLUTT", like a tattoo on the BUTT)
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To: StAnDeliver
Bears repeating...

And the Post wanted to see an example of how our technology worked. So they took a 2005 speech from Hillary Clinton and ran it through our service. And right off the bat, we caught the speechwriter for Hillary Clinton plagiarizing.

BUMP

36 posted on 07/12/2006 7:41:28 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: StAnDeliver
"I just had enough of reading Ann Coulter"

Like witches and water, vampires and the light, slugs and salt, avg and ABBA, ...

37 posted on 07/12/2006 7:42:22 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: StAnDeliver

I ran Jon Barrie's stats through my special Child Molester Identfication Software and registered a hit.


38 posted on 07/12/2006 7:43:34 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: All
I've e-mailed the Post, nothing in reply yet.

Haven't e-mailed Barrie yet, was looking at his website for an address.

Did watch this interview again (TiVo), and the transcript is absolutely accurate.

Vlogging the excerpt of the interview would be a good idea, or forwarding it to someone who can. As soon as I can find the time...

39 posted on 07/12/2006 12:46:10 PM PDT by StAnDeliver ("Look, I'm already bitter and twisted enough today as it is, don't you start now!" -- Canard)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

You will find this interview interesting.


40 posted on 07/12/2006 12:49:21 PM PDT by StAnDeliver ("Look, I'm already bitter and twisted enough today as it is, don't you start now!" -- Canard)
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