Creationism taught by design : finding its way into UK university lecture halls

The Times of London ^ | 07/01/2006

[doc30]

Please post a link to the site where dinosaur prints with human footprints in them, if you could.

I think he is referring to a ranch in Texas where human/dino footprints were found in a creek bed by a church group. The site is closed to paleontologists. That's sufficient for me to know something fishy is going on.

[doc30]

Just an FYI ping.

Personally, I think it's a good thing to spend a few credit hours going over some of the nonsense future scientists will come across in their professional careers, especially the stuff that spills out of biology and into other disciplines.

[PatrickHenry]

Personally, I think it's a good thing to spend a few credit hours going over some of the nonsense future scientists will come across in their professional careers, especially the stuff that spills out of biology and into other disciplines.

The material is too thin for an entire course. The course should be something like the philosophy of science, with emphasis on the scientific method, and various assaults it has endured. At least one course in logic should be a prerequisite.

[doc30]

The material is too thin for an entire course. The course should be something like the philosophy of science, with emphasis on the scientific method, and various assaults it has endured. At least one course in logic should be a prerequisite.

It might make an interesting, optional 1 credit hour course. And you are right. A good study of the philosophy of science and in logic early in a scientist's academic career would be most constructive. Alas, most science departments are crammed full of core courses for thier respective majors that it is difficult to squeeze in other, non-science elective courses, let alone what you propose. And then adding a particular university's graduation required social studies courses related to affermative action or gender studies just makes it worse.

[nmh]

Oh no!

Just what are the godless artists going to do?

Commit harry-carry?

Those evolutionists must be so distraught!

Imagine people not buying into their ridiculous fairy tale!

[Dumb_Ox]

Paley's Revenge!

[blowfish]

Those evolutionists must be so distraught!

Actually, these threads always give us a good chuckle.

[nmh]

"Actually, these threads always give us a good chuckle."

Considering how nasty evolutionists get ... I don't they're laughing. Evolutionists are control freaks and don't like people NOT believing the fantasies they preach.

[Sopater]

What does this mean regarding our standing in the global community?

[blowfish]

I am, in fact, chuckling as we speak.

[metmom]

Be careful, you might get some Creationist/IDers coming out of the woodwork claiming that science must take into account supernatural explanations otherwise science is flawed.

Science isn't flawed?

At one time science DID take into account what was once considered *supernatural* and it found that there were *natural* explanations for those things, like disease. Who knows what we might be missing discovering simply because some scientists are uncomfortable with anything that does not fit in their narrowly defined, restricted world. The problem is that by categorising things into *natural* and *supernatural*, science is shortchanging the world. It is not very open minded to refuse to examine anything that conflicts with your belief system.

Why the emphasis on Biblical *literalism*? It seems that that is the only way scientists can discredit faith; by placing it in a rigid framework that allows for no other interpretation. If *literalism* weren't in these discussions, there would be much more agreement with science than many here would be comfortable with. I guess we can't have anything from the Bible being given any credibility, because then someone might be forced to consider that other aspects of Scripture might also be true.

[Coyoteman]

I have the evidence that leads to inference. I have the evidence of fully formed humans and fully formed apes, and nothing in-between.

I don't expect you to believe it, but here is a real live transitional. Note its position in the chart which follows (hint--in the upper center):

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Fossil: KNM-ER 3733

Site: Koobi Fora (Upper KBS tuff, area 104), Lake Turkana, Kenya (4, 1)

Discovered By: B. Ngeneo, 1975 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.75 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal, paleomagnetic & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Female (species presumed to be sexually dimorphic) (1, 8)

Cranial Capacity: 850 cc (1, 3, 4)

Information: Tools found in same layer (8, 9). Found with KNM-ER 406 A. boisei (effectively eliminating single species hypothesis) (1)

Interpretation: Adult (based on cranial sutures, molar eruption and dental wear) (1)

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=33

Source: http://wwwrses.anu.edu.au/environment/eePages/eeDating/HumanEvol_info.html

[GreenOgre]

Obviously you have no concept of time and it's part in Evolution. Evolution theorizes whales lived on land millions of years ago. There are tons of fossils of transitional animals showing their gradual change from carnivorous cows looking like bears to whales.

Please show me bear fossils mixed in with dinosaur fossils. Please show me one piece of evidence supporting ID/Creationism.

[js1138]

At one time science DID take into account what was once considered *supernatural* and it found that there were *natural* explanations for those things, like disease.

You finally got something right.

[From many - one.]

The term projection comes to mind.

[onedoug]

Let me ask you: How do you think reproduction of the earliest organisms "evolved" when there was no earlier biology? Or do you think life and Earth are eternal?

[LiteKeeper]

When one side has the physical evidence

Both sides have the same physical evidence. The presuppositions of the "interpreter" of the physical evidence is what is in question.

[freedumb2003]

The dumbing down of America continues.

[freedumb2003]

Considering how nasty evolutionists get ... I don't they're laughing. Evolutionists are control freaks and don't like people NOT believing the fantasies they preach.

Why do you keep saying that when you know it is not true? You have been busted time and time again running that same line of crud and it ain't sticking.

[freedumb2003]

A multi-million year old fossil and a 6 thousand year old Earth don't jive.