[conservativefreak]

The cartoon was funny, however, it oversimplifies what a creationists means when s/he says that they don't believe in evolution they mean that they don't believe that random mutations can add complexity to an organism that didn't already have it in it's genetic code, and that successive generations of bacteria won't mutate into a frog, no matter how many generations you have.

[hometoroost]

If one is making one's point with a Gary Trudeau cartoon they should begin to question if they understand the issue at all. It's not surprising that they wouldn't understand the creationist point of view.

Liberals always simplify and label things they disagree with because it's easier than thinking. Trudeau is the poster boy for that type of argument.

[Kenny Bunkport]

I agree with your comment, except the part where you said the cartoon was funny.

[BipolarBob]

So what you're saying is that creationists believe in de-evolution. Something like the universe is went from order to chaos, right?

[Tokra]

what a creationists means when s/he says that they don't believe in evolution they mean that they don't believe that random mutations can add complexity to an organism that didn't already have it in it's genetic code

You mean like the different bacteria that have evolved to make themselves immune to anti-biotics? The immunity that wasn't in their genetic code before, but is now?

[SaveUS]

"and that successive generations of bacteria won't mutate into a frog, no matter how many generations you have."

Don't forget: And also believes that anyone who strays from their self-righteous egocentric beliefs is going straight to hell. Or, anyone who thinks Earth is more than 6000 years old is "silly". Or, believes that Darwin is in hell, but the good Christians who were "native hunting" while he experimented with nature are in heaven.

[js1138]

...random mutations can add complexity to an organism that didn't already have it in it's genetic code...

What is your measure of complexity?

[Moonman62]

The cartoon was funny, however, it oversimplifies what a creationists means when s/he says that they don't believe in evolution they mean that they don't believe that random mutations can add complexity to an organism that didn't already have it in it's genetic code, and that successive generations of bacteria won't mutate into a frog, no matter how many generations you have.

That's just a fancy way of redefining evolution so you can say you don't believe in it.

Evolution almost always involves some type of a duplication. A doubling of "information" according to your definition. All that extra information is able to go through the mutation process, good ones being retained and useless ones fading away without affecting the viability of the organism.

[Stultis]

what a creationists means when s/he says that they don't believe in evolution they mean that they don't believe that random mutations can add complexity to an organism that didn't already have it in it's genetic code

And yet that's exactly what happens in most cases of acquired antibiotic resistance. So what was your point???

(Sure, sometimes a bacteria might pick up the resistance in lateral transmission from another bacteria, but we KNOW experimentally that resistance also evolves de novo in pure, nonresistant strains. In a number of cases scientists have tracked the actual mutations.)