[wagglebee]

This is terrifying and revolting.

[wagglebee]

Ping. This one is truly disturbing.

[cricket]

This is terrifying and revolting. Agree. . .

Civilization has markers. . .Canada has just given one up. . .

. . .and we only need to remember. . .Hilllary loves the Canadian Health Plan. . .

[wagglebee]

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Controversial Organ Donation Method Begins in Canada - Organs Extracted 5 Minutes after Heart Stops

If the Culture of Death is allowed to continue, we will see the day when harvesting organs is the actual cause of death.

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Controversial Organ Donation Method Begins in Canada - Organs Extracted 5 Minutes after Heart Stops

If the Culture of Death is allowed to continue, we will see the day when harvesting organs is the actual cause of death.

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[GrandEagle]

The important thing for us is that the person donating has to be dead
Uncanny grasp of what once was the obvious. THIS is exactly why I don NOT have the organ donation box checked on my drivers licence.
My wife can make that decision, but the scavengers have to wait for me to die.
The end is truly near....

[ReformedBeckite]

One of the major ethical problems with................................. another is that the stoppage of the heart is caused by the removal of the ventilator.

Personally I think any one who keeps someone on a ventilator to keep them alive when it has been shown that the other organs will die with out the ventilator is somewhat an unethical person. Personally I hope I don't end up like this.

Every man has his appointed time to die, and delaying it isn't going to make any difference to what God has ordain for those on earth, or for when the individual makes it to the Judgement seat of God. God at the beginning of time has already determine every mans fate. Man has got to learn to face his fate at the end of his life, and take it like a man.

[redgolum]

Lots of money in that racket. Doctors are under a lot of pressure to procure organs for donation, and there have been a lot of cases of "not dead yet". Which is why I no longer sign as a donor.

[hedgetrimmer]

Brain-Death Criteria: An Inexact Art
March 12, 1999

by: Allan Turner

In 1974, Willard Gaylin, M.D., a psychiatrist who at the time was president of the Institute of Society, Ethics and the Life Sciences in Hasting-on-Hudson, New York, wrote a chilling article for Harper's Magazine entitled "Harvesting The Dead." In the article, Gaylin coined a new term for a new kind of cadaver that would have the legal status of one who is dead but with none of the qualities one normally associates with death. According to Gaylin, this new kind of cadaver would be called a "neomort," meaning newly dead. The "brain dead" neomort would be a warm, respirating, pulsating, evacuating, and excreting body requiring nursing, dietary, and general grooming attention. These "living" cadavers could then be stored in "neomortoria" (units in hospitals where neomorts on life-support systems could be housed) for organ transplantation, medical and nursing education, and drug research.

In his article, Gaylin challenges us to think about the possibilities. Uneasy medical students could practice routine physical examinations on neomorts and both the student and the "patient" could be spared the pain, fumbling, and embarrassment of the "first time." Interns could practice more difficult diagnostic procedures and surgery without the normal danger associated with such procedures and surgery. After all, these "patients" are already dead. The experimental advantage would be simply phenomenal. Instead of generalizations made from experimentation on animals, medical professionals could use neomorts for first time experiments. Gaylin asks us to think about the fantastic storage and harvesting benefits of neomorts. Major organs have always been difficult to store. But a population of neomorts maintained with their body parts computerized and catalogued for compatibility would be a great improvement over the present system. Furthermore, a sizable population of neomorts could provide a steady supply of blood, since they could be drained periodically.

[ctdonath2]

Five-minute turnaround for organ harvesting. Yeah.

And my in-laws have to wait MONTHS for even basic cancer treatments.

Priorities are telling.

Grrrr...

[thinking]

GROSS!!! doctor #1 to doctor #2, that patient in 456, has a great set of kidneys, and I think he will die tonight....

[longtermmemmory]

Duty to die.

If anything this hurts organ donation in the USA.

Message: "don't sign an organ donor card because doctor's rather harvest organs than save your life."

[silverleaf]

A "heart wrenching" decision....did the writer REALLY mean to put it that way?

If you have ever held a living creature as it died, I cannot believe anyone could agree to this rapid extraction of a heart. I can believe that over-eager organ harvesters could play on the emotions of a grieving family....and certainly will not be around for that family someday when they face the enormous reality of what they did.

[Mike Darancette]

If you marked "organ donor" on your driver's license DON'T go to Canada.

[A. Pole]

Controversial Organ Donation Method Begins in Canada - Organs Extracted 5 Minutes after Heart Stops

Bump

[SuziQ]

The procedure, also known as donation after cardiac death (DCD), typically involves a person who requires a ventilator and, although he has measurable brain function, is determined to have no hope of recovery.

Sounds like some sort of human sacrifice.

If the brain is still functioning, the person is ALIVE!! Whether he or she has any chance of recovering to society's measure of functionality is beside the point. You don't harvest necessary organs from someone who is still alive.

[Old Professer]

Sometimes on Sundays, my 78 year-old grandmother would announce that we were having chicken for supper and dispatch one of us children to the coop to fetch the slowest hen or scrawniest rooster; while we were running all about to snatch it up she would busy herself with tightening up the clothesline and when we handed up our prize, she would snatch it from our hands and tie its feet to the line.

Then after checking the big kettle put on to boil and judging it ripe, she would take this great knife kept solely for this sacred rite, grasp the hapless bird about the nape, pull down taut, swipe a mighty swipe and dash across the rocky yard leaving a wavy trail of red-stained ground behind as the chicken danced its final dance.

The rest's a blur of smell and noise, the dog madly barking, me busy retching, my sister running for higher ground; but in the time for the pot to settle, the bird was gutted, the feathers plucked and the coop went back to its former raucous state.

[wagglebee]

I forgot to ping you to this earlier today.

[fanfan]

Thanks Wagglebee.

Canada ping!

Please send me a FReepmail to get on or off this Canada ping list.

[Steve Van Doorn]

A friend of mine woke up in the hospital morgue after the doctors called her death a few hours before.

even then she couldn't move her hands she could only make grunting sounds. (she was always cripped from the waist down). She made it out ok.