Understanding Islam: The Verse of The Sword (Great Read!)

Family Security Foundation ^ | 6/22/06 | Scott McKay

[wagglebee]

And this is why we cannot "reason" with them, we cannot "appease" them, we must destroy the jihadists.

[penelopesire]

Dhimmitude(with taxes and no guns) sounds like the democrat 'plan'...lol

[RS]

Curious -

He writes about a quote that he admits is open to various interpretations, but starts his quote with " Then, ".

It would seem that the only way to begin to understand what this line is sayig is to have some reference about what the " Then, " refers to.

[highlander_UW]

Best presentation I've seen...spot on.

[SkyDancer]

Interesting how they've put the Koran into chapter and verse, just like the Bible ... IOW - making it out to be like the Bible, but isn't the true word of God ......

[sageb1]

Good find!

You may be interested in a response I posted earlier this morning here.

The thread is Home front fears in war on terror ~

[eleni121]

Read the rest of it ..the author clearly states the significance of these abominable words.

[Tribune7]

“What do these people want from us?”

[B.O. Plenty]

Enemy of islm bump

[RS]

The only problem is that you CANNOT understand these words without taking into account the " Then, "

For example -

Then, as the clock struck midnight, he threw the switch and electricity coursed through her body.


What does this mean ?

It is some diabolical killer ?

... a legal execution of a diabolical killer ?

.... or perhaps some strange way of describing a late-night emergency room defibrillation procedure ?



Back to the topic at hand -


How can he possibly deem others interpretation of the verse as not being extreme WITHOUT himself having a full understanding of what it says ?

[anglian]

[TheBattman]

slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them

How do you slay folks, and THEN take them captive????

[RS]

"How do you slay folks, and THEN take them captive????"

Good point - Now we have to take into account if the English translator truely understood what it was saying ...

[TheBattman]

Is that the "prophet" Mohammed's true form???

[Tribune7]

Yup, so if you think those Danish cartoons cause a flap . . .

[dalight]

and when you think about Mt. Solodad.. its hard to imagine we haven't already been subdued..

[anglian]

Now we have to take into account if the English translator truely understood what it was saying ...

Translations: AA - Ahmed Ali

NQ - The Noble Qur'an

PK - Pickthal

SH - Shakir

YU - Yusuf Ali

AA - But when these months, prohibited (for fighting), are over, slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them, and take them captive or besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every likely place. But if they repent and fulfil their devotional obligations and pay the zakat, then let them go their way, for God is forgiving and kind.

NQ - Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As- Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.[]

PK - Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

SH - So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

YU - But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Muslims are ordered to fight all non-Muslims until they cease being non-Muslims via either conversion at swordpoint or payment of an oppressive tax.

[anglian]

Muhammad himself thought it was meaningless as he led his most important raids during the "forbidden" months. - Craig Winn(prophetofdoom.net)

[RS]

But how do you reconsile TheBattman's very interesting point - How do you slay someone AND capture them ?

ALL of your translations use the same basic wording, yet what sense does it make ?

Obviously you can choose to ignore it, but then how can you honestly say that you understand what it it telling you ?

[RS]

Your " PROFITofDoom " neglects to source a lot of his statements... does he give a source for this one ?