THE DOWNING OF TWA FLIGHT 800 Exclusive: Jack Cashill argues new investigation of '96 event ne

World Net Daily ^ | June 22, 2006 | Jack Cashill

[drypowder]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50736

[frogjerk]

I am also skeptical of the missile theory because of this Captain's testimony:

http://ntsb.gov/events/twa800/exhibits/Ex_4A_appZ.pdf

Read his testimony. It is interesting that he saw a bright light coming from inside or on TWA 800 for a while before the explosion. He is reportedly the only person that was actually looking at the plane all the while before, during and after the explosion (page 39 of the testimony) He was piloting a 737 in the area at the time and was also a Navy pilot during Vietnam. He did not see any missile or streak prior to the explosion.

[DJ MacWoW]

One man's account against 270 witnesses and a tape. It's the equivalent of the 4 swift-boaters backing Kerry against the hundreds who told the truth.

He is reportedly the only person that was actually looking at the plane all the while

Bunk.

School principal Joseph Delgado told the FBI he saw an object like "a firework" ascend almost vertically

Delgado saw TWA Flight 800 "glitter" in the sky and the ascending object move up toward it. He thought at first it was "going to slightly miss" the 747, but it appeared to make "a dramatic correction at the last second." Then Delgado saw a "white puff."

And 22,000 feet overhead, Dwight Brumley, a retired 25-year United States Navy master chief, relaxed on US Air 217 as it headed north to Providence, R.I.

TWA Flight 800, a workhorse 747 wide body, had left the JFK runway at 8:19, made a wide turn to the south, and then turned back east. It ascended slowly to more than 13,000 feet and held there to let Dwight Brumley's plane, US Air 217, pass comfortably overhead. There were 230 people on board.

Now he (Angelides), Wire, Perry, Meyer, Baur, Goss, Delgado, and Brumley watched as the plane's fuel tanks exploded, and Flight 800 morphed into what Delgado described as a "firebox" and others described as a "fireball."

By the FBI's own count, 270 eyewitnesses saw a flaming object ascend towards TWA Flight 800. Scores of those tracked it from the horizon all the way to the doomed airplane. The New York Times would not interview one of them.

[frogjerk]

He is reportedly the only person that was actually looking at the plane all the while

Bunk.

You may be right but you can say "Bunk" all you want but please provide facts to back up your assertion.

One man's account against 270 witnesses and a tape. It's the equivalent of the 4 swift-boaters backing Kerry against the hundreds who told the truth.

Come on now. You mean that you are going to discount this Captain's account of what and his copilot saw, at basically the same altitude only 13 miles away?

You are calling Captain McClain, a Vietnam Navy pilot vet, and his copilot a liar. The Captain was watching Flight 800 for a good 5 minutes BEFORE it exploded and didn't see any missile or anything. Doesn't this count for anything?

That is not being very objective of you. I am being skeptical and I can be persuaded with a good argument for a missile taking down Flight 800.

You are already locked in to your decision and will not look at testimony and evidence that may suggest otherwise.

[DJ MacWoW]

You may be right but you can say "Bunk" all you want but please provide facts to back up your assertion.

I provided you with other eyewitness accounts.

Come on now. You mean that you are going to discount this Captain's account of what and his copilot saw, at basically the same altitude only 13 miles away?

One mans word, that matches the outcome that Clinton wanted, against 270 people and a video. Hmmm. Yup. I'll believe the video and 270.

You are calling Captain McClain, a Vietnam Navy pilot vet, and his copilot a liar.

No. I didn't. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

That is not being very objective of you.

What's easier to believe? One man backing the predetermined government outcome or 270 people and a video?

This HAD to be squashed. The Olympics were starting and who would fly here if Clinton couldn't protect the airspace?

This man said he saw nothing and that fit what Clinton and his corrupt posse needed. It's not the pilots fault.

[DJ MacWoW]

Do you remember the Pakistani co-pilot eyewitness? They told him he saw a meteor. *snerk*

Streak of light over TWA crash site probably a meteor

November 19, 1996
Web posted at: 1:45 p.m. EST

NEW YORK (CNN) -- A streak sighted by an airline co-pilot this weekend in the skies above the TWA Flight 800 crash site "very likely" was a meteor, the FBI and an astronomer said Monday.

The FBI interviewed the Pakistan International Airlines co-pilot, identified as Nasir Aziz, when he arrived in Frankfurt, Germany, and said he was the only person on the jumbo jet who reported seeing the light.

The Pentagon issued a statement Monday confirming there were no military exercises under way in the area.

[frogjerk]

From your post #122:

One man's account against 270 witnesses and a tape. It's the equivalent of the 4 swift-boaters backing Kerry against the hundreds who told the truth.

You are calling Captain McClain, a Vietnam Navy pilot vet, and his copilot a liar.

No. I didn't. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

Yes you did. You compared Captain McClaine's testimony to John Kerry and the men's testimony whom he bought,who we all know are liars.

Did you read the transcript and decide for yourself whether Captain McClaine was believable or not? Or did you just dismiss it because it because it conflicts with your theory?

FYI: This captain's account differs from the official CIA theory as he did not see a nose cone or other part of the plane ascend. This makes story more believable in my eyes.

[labette]

I'm very suspicious that Captain McClaine's testimony was "cherry picked" because of paragraph five of his summary on page four;

.."Prior to the explosion, I did not see any missile.."

Hopefully we'll all ignore paragraph one where "..a very bright light....definitely the brightest light in the sky...", is what initially caught his attention.

Looking downward {assuming} against the darkening earth/ocean would McClaine notice a trail of smoke? I don't think so, but rocket flame on the other hand would stand out. {bright light?}

[DJ MacWoW]

your theory?

It's not "my theory". I was awake most of the night, saw the video and heard eyewitness accounts. That's not a theory.

[frogjerk]

I'm very suspicious that Captain McClaine's testimony was "cherry picked" because of paragraph five of his summary on page four;

Cherry picked by whom?

Hopefully we'll all ignore paragraph one where "..a very bright light....definitely the brightest light in the sky...", is what initially caught his attention.

Which he stated was Flight 800 which he watched for about less than 5 minutes. Which was ascending at the same rate and altitude as Flight 800 out of JFK. The bright light was also not white but an off white like a yellow which could be indicative of what may have happened to Flight 800.

If Captain McClaine was watching this bright, off white/yellowish light for from 2 to about less than 5 minutes, could this have been the missile he was watching? I don't know but would it take between 2 and less than 5 minutes for a Stinger missile to hit its target? That doesn't sound likely to me. I would like to think that a shoulder fired missile would work more efficiently than taking between 2-5 minutes to hit a plane at 13000 feet.

[willyd]

I have seen analysis of the air traffic control tower's radar. There were two objects on the screen and then for a short time three and then two again. One was an approaching jet, one was flight 800 and the last was a missile. Whether it was shot down accidentally during some sort of combat training or it was shot down intentially as a response to some sort of hijacking remains to be seen. I firmly believe it was shot down. I will post the info I have seen as soon as I find it.

[willyd]

Does anyone remember how the FBI was on the scene immediately and sealed off the area where the plane went in the water? They also postponed any diving of the wreckage for over a day because of bad weather on the surface. That struck me as odd. Why does it matter if there is a bit of bad weather or rain on the surface to a diver?

[frogjerk]

Would it take a shoulder fired missile more than 2 minutes to hit a target at 13000 feet? That is a little better than 100 feet per second which is about 68 mph. At this rate it the missile would make a great curve ball.

Also, Captain McClaine was a Navy pilot in Vietnam. There is also a good chance he would recognize a missile or rocket of some sort following an object in the sky.

I'm open to all theories because no one really knows what happened for sure.

[frogjerk]

Please post this info to me as well as I am very interested.

Thanks,

frogjerk

[DJ MacWoW]

Yes. And they wore anti-contamination suits. It was strange.

[willyd]

Okay...I found a link to the page I was talking about... Here it is

[frogjerk]

Thanks.

Question: What is the evidence for this statement at the end of the page?:

"Before anybody else, the US Navy is already on alert and aware of the crash."

[willyd]

I guess the helicopter that was on the scene or the jet that was on radar.

[Young Werther]

The eye witness testimony was varied by position of the witness, experience and the unusual event that was occurring. The forensics are another manner. The engines were recovered and the fact that the left wing inboard had ingested material and shed turbine blades points to a sources of material that would be characterized as an explosive warhead.

Those turbine blades were found in upper surface of the rear horizontal stablizer which suggests that the aircraft had begun to break apart at the rear of the fuselage, therefore no zoom climb. This event is further verified by the western most body being found in the debris field was a passenger sitting at the rear of the aircraft. No zoom climb. BTW Boeing said that the zoom climb suggested in the accident report was physically impossible! Heck but what do they know? The mainenance record shows that this particular aircraft had withstood a lightning strike on descent to Athens with little or no damage but we're to believe that a electrical spark in the mid-tank did the deed!

When the bodies were autopsied the X-Rays showed a great deal of shrapnel. One of the autopsy techs said this out loud. The tech was fired and the X-rays were/are still classified. Does the words Clintoon Coverup mean anything.

The FBI was directed to do everything in their power to obstruct the NTSB investigation.

The witnesses corroborate the forensics the Coverup was /is to this day a crime.

[fso301]

A shoe bomber standing over the center fuel tank would also do the trick.

True but there would be residue and tell-tale damage.

[labette]

Sorry to get back late to you, but this is worth our attention.

Captain McClaine seems believable to me. His rate of closure with TWA800 was probably at least 600 knots, during this time surely he was "multitasking", making landing preparations, etc...Until the big explosion...THEN he was undoubtedly more single point focused.

IF I understand correctly, a missile approaching TWA from below and behind would not give the impression of much movement per Captain McClaine's point of view. I'm not quoting him to support "my" theory. I am pointing out that if he is being used as the government's key eyewitness, he doesn't do much for their case. Note that even he refutes the laughable "zoom climb theory", "Almost immediately two flaming objects, with flames trailing about 4000 feet behind them, fell out of the bottom of the ball of flame." He thought the objects to be wings which were full of fuel.

Speaking of zoom climb,check out this witness:
Mike Wire, witness 571, was used extensively by the CIA in developing their "zoom climb" theory. They speculated, and the national media bought it, that what witnesses saw as a "firework" or a "streak of light" was in reality Flight 800 climbing 3,000 feet and trailing burning fuel. Notwithstanding the fact that a 747 would not, under any circumstance, be confused with fireworks, the CIA completely distorted Mike Wire's statement. They never interviewed him, yet they produced a video describing what he saw using these houses as reference points. Needless to say, when Mike Wire saw the video he proclaimed: "That's nothing like what I saw".

After our recent interview, Mike Wire went to the location and took a digital photo, on which he then drew black lines indicating the route of the smoke trail he saw and the path of the burning debris falling to the ocean. I then edited the picture to show more of what he described to me. After several iterations, we developed the edited photo shown on the left {below}.

You can read more about this here.link

In my opinion, the "official" investigation is more accurately described as obfuscation.