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1 posted on 06/15/2006 11:39:31 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 06/15/2006 11:40:39 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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Another gap filled. Good find.


3 posted on 06/15/2006 11:43:18 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: PatrickHenry

"Gansus likely behaved much like its modern relatives..." It's possible that's because they were created, not evolved? ;-)


10 posted on 06/15/2006 11:55:22 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: PatrickHenry

Excellent research.


11 posted on 06/15/2006 11:55:30 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: PatrickHenry

"Gansus is very close to a modern bird and helps fill in the big gap between clearly non-modern birds and the explosion of early birds that marked the Cretaceous period, the final era of the Dinosaur Age," said Peter Dodson, professor of anatomy at Penns School of Veterinary Medicine and professor in Penns Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences. "Gansus is the oldest example of the nearly modern birds that branched off of the trunk of the family tree that began with the famous proto-bird Archaeopteryx."

"helps fill in the big gap"

ok

1) then in laymans terms, is this an example of fossil record of intermediate speciation?

2) is there any indication of what happened to the heads?

"Gansus is something of a lost species, originally described from a fossil leg found in 1983, but since largely ignored by science. The five specimens described by Dodson and his colleagues had many of the anatomical traits of modern birds, including feathers, bone structure and webbed feet, although every specimen lacked a skull."

apparently, these fossils were fragments, and were assembled by the authors...

3) are you satisified with their conclusions?



14 posted on 06/15/2006 12:05:38 PM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: PatrickHenry

So they find a 115 million-year-old duck, and that somehow fills a gap? We have ducks now, with the same features they found in this fossil. The entire article gave no reason why we should think this bird was any different other than in size from modern birds, and they even call it a "near-modern" bird.

And then there's the little problem of not actually having the bird's head.


17 posted on 06/15/2006 12:22:03 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: PatrickHenry

If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...well...you know.


27 posted on 06/15/2006 12:43:16 PM PDT by KMJames (Hyperbole is killing us.)
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To: PatrickHenry
..."Gansus is very close to a modern bird and helps fill in the big gap between clearly non-modern birds and the explosion of early birds that marked the Cretaceous period...

If they can get a duck to do that, there truly is nothing the ToE cannot explain.

29 posted on 06/15/2006 12:47:09 PM PDT by KMJames (Hyperbole is killing us.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Aquatic birds, eh? Hmmm. Wonder if they were good to eat?
36 posted on 06/15/2006 1:07:52 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: PatrickHenry
Well of course!

Genesis says that dinosaurs (well birds at least, but science finally determined birds came from dinosaurs) and sea creatures were created well before He got around to makin' us mammal-type critters.

(I just can't figger out out them there old illiterate Israeli sheepherders got this modern-science type information right when they spent 40 years wandering in the desert. For a short 2 week trip from Egypt to Israel......)
37 posted on 06/15/2006 1:13:56 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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HO HUM

show that early birds “likely” evolved in an aquatic environment,

Their findings “suggest”

"Gansus is “very close” to a modern bird and “helps fill” in the big gap

“although every specimen lacked a skull.” “We won't have a definitive dietary” answer until we find a skull."

"It appears “

Gansus “likely behaved “

Gansus “appears” to have had adaptations

“What remains a mystery for now,”

IS HOW ANYBODY CAN BELIEVE THIS MESS

49 posted on 06/15/2006 1:36:08 PM PDT by WKB (D.L. Moody "The Bible was not written for your information, but for your transformation")
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1650016/posts?page=49#49


51 posted on 06/15/2006 1:39:15 PM PDT by WKB (D.L. Moody "The Bible was not written for your information, but for your transformation")
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; Dimensio; RunningWolf; b_sharp
The "not-quite-a-duck". Check it out
97 posted on 06/15/2006 4:19:02 PM PDT by KMJames (Hyperbole is killing us.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Nice piece, thanks.

I find the evolution of birds and the history of scientific opinion behind it, to be quite interesting.


102 posted on 06/15/2006 6:52:18 PM PDT by George - the Other (Ever notice how Narrow-Minded atheists are?)
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To: PatrickHenry
Sorry, PH. The title got me on this one.

My first thought: But did it Get the WormTM?

Cheers!

107 posted on 06/15/2006 8:30:12 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: PatrickHenry
here is a picture posted on the net (CTV) of some of the bones
126 posted on 06/16/2006 8:10:33 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: PatrickHenry

another one here

(but i cannot get the source to transmit the photo)

http://www.geotimes.org/current/WebExtra061506.html

interesting that these photos show the almost entire skeleton....together, not scattered (as i had conjectured)...



127 posted on 06/16/2006 8:20:19 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: PatrickHenry

I saw this in the paper and I was doing real great until I saw that it was about the size of a robin and the whole picture collapsed.


179 posted on 06/16/2006 6:26:28 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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