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To: mikeyc
You could apply that same logic to women... if they like men, why do they act like women?... answer: because they are women and not men.

It is not the same thing at all. Effeminate homosexuals are not women; they are men. But if they are attracted to men because they are attracted to maleness and masculinity, then it doesn't make sense for them to be attracted to other effeminate men who, as you admit, are unmasculine. Why couldn't they be attracted to a bull-dyke? She's more manly than most men, definitely more manly than an effeminate gay man.

The thing that twists logic in this as much as anything is, to be attacted to your same sex is like being attracted to yourself.

Do you think that homosexual desire, defined as a disorder, is rooted in an inability to identify as your natural gender? That seems a different problem to me than homosexuality. Not unrelated much of the time, but still, different. So my question is, is that pretty much always the case? Gay men feel more like women and lesbian women feel more like men? Thus, in being attracted to the same sex it is somehow mentally like being attracted to the opposite sex? Otherwise, it is like being attracted to yourself.

Like I said before, I do not doubt that a person can overcome their homosexuality without accepting Chrisitianity. They need a motive that is stronger than their enjoyment of the behavior. Habits of this sort must be hard to break. Which desire is strongest? What do you value most? To desire to quit means there is something you value more than homosexuality. That is a strong glimmer of health and hope.

That said, all humans have a sin nature and no amount of will power will change that. Christ is the only answer to that problem. You may conquer one sin and its related desires, but you will still have a sin nature in need of redemption and transformation.

92 posted on 06/24/2006 12:00:02 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
But if they are attracted to men because they are attracted to maleness and masculinity, then it doesn't make sense for them to be attracted to other effeminate men who, as you admit, are unmasculine.

Just as normal men seek the companionship of other normal men as they have common outlook and interests, so effeminate homosexuals tend to stick together. It's not sexual attraction between them, but they find masculine men sexually attractive.

Gay men feel more like women and lesbian women feel more like men?

It's not as complex as that. Homosexual men feel like men (unless they have some desire to change gender, which is uncommon), and they relate to the same gender in a sexual way. Think of it more like normal men who have close friendships with other men, then take that idea further... and further... so that the attraction to same sex company becomes more than just companionship, best friend, soulmate... but becomes perverted into something more intimate.

Homosexual men don't thing of themselves in any way as women, even though there's a culture of calling each other 'she'. That is most prevalent amongst the effeminate homosexuals and those who openly receive anal penetration.

The majority of homosexuals don't appear to be especially effeminate. There are a large proportion who go out of their way to be extra masculine. There are many masculine ones who like the effeminate ones, because they can use them like a woman, although they aren't interested in women.

There are masculine ones who are only interested in other very masculine men, and they tend to vear towards a more raunchy sexual activity. There is certainly no identification with womanliness in how they relate to each other. That is homosexuality at it's most masculine and most sexually intense.

As you see, there are no simple answers to your questions, and the questions you have asked are very simplistic. I can't speak about lesbians because i haven't had any experience in that field. All i can talk about is my own experience and personal understanding of male homosexuals.

Homosexuality is a 'cult'. This is why it's program of homosexualisation of society is uneffected by Christian teaching. They will argue by using Scripture to justify their actions, but in the end, they will use media to change the beliefs of the public.
93 posted on 06/25/2006 6:43:39 AM PDT by mikeyc
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