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To: Mrs. Don-o
I disagree with her and them. The problem is that everyone is trying to make something Christian out of secular psychological therapy. I used to not see this because I believe it is true that many homosexuals come from trouble backgrounds or have experienced other trauma. But stop and think. Others who suffer do not become homosexual. Here's the deal that Christians must see. Sin begins in the heart. You may fix outwrard sin without addressing inward sin, but the person has not become a true Christian if that's the case.

It's not a psychological problem in need of a cure. It's a sin problem in need of repentance. True transformation is the work of the Holy Spirit, and He only transforms persons with repentant faith. If you want to offer therapy based on psychological theories, then fine. Just don't call it Christian because it isn't.

The danger is that these therapists start creating a group of people who identify as Christians but are absolutely not. So you bring a grave sin problem into our churches. Read their testimonies. They see their therapists as more powerful than God. That's not a person who has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. Jesus isn't a name-brand label to just another sex therapy. These people need to address the sin of their heart, the bitterness, the lust, the depravity, the rebellion, the anger, and they need to submit to the lordship of Jesus Christ.

I'll also add this: stop coddling them. The great effort to prove we love this particular type of sinner more than all other sinners is just ridiculous. The Christian psychologists need to psychoanalyze themselves and see that the bogus name-calling from gay activists has led them to over compensate. Ignore the charge of hate and address these issues with truth (but their schooling has beaten the truth out of them to a certain extent). The truth is the best way to show love, because without the truth we will all have hell to pay -- literally.

Notice how one-sided it is too. Why don't they feel compelled to repeatedly profess their great love for us? Love to the world means a warm, fuzzy emotion. They aren't interpreting it correctly anyway. We just look stupid and weak.

Imagine if Bush proclaimed his love for Osama every time he was mentioned. Osama is just another sinner and all sins are equal. If anyone could use their upbringing as an excuse he certainly could. It would be nice to cure his terrorist ways even if you never dealt with the hate in his heart. From a government standpoint that's fine. But his heart would have to change through repentance and faith before you could ever call him a Christian.

Even if you back away from crime, imagine, "I love liars." "I love jealous people." "I love angry people." On and on. When you say, "I love homosexuals" you are defining them by their sinful behavior and desires and nulifying your argument against the behavior before you ever make it.

We are losing on nearly all political fronts even though we have majoirites everywhere on our side because our self-appointed leaders are making dumb arguments.

9 posted on 06/15/2006 10:06:31 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
It's not a psychological problem in need of a cure. It's a sin problem in need of repentance. True transformation is the work of the Holy Spirit, and He only transforms persons with repentant faith. If you want to offer therapy based on psychological theories, then fine. Just don't call it Christian because it isn't.

Agree 100%. Psychotherapy has an abysmal "cure" rate in general. This is the main reason they preach "acceptance" of your disorder or deviant behavior--because they've got nothing else.

The most successful forms of counseling are the ones that most closely resemble "tough love" or redemption through suffering as opposed to endless self-affirming blather sessions. Hmmmmm....
22 posted on 06/15/2006 12:26:06 PM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals -- regardless of party.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
The problem is that everyone is trying to make something Christian out of secular psychological therapy.

AMEN! The two are diametrically opposed.

33 posted on 06/15/2006 6:24:33 PM PDT by fwdude (If at first you don't succeed .......... form a committee and hire a consultant.)
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