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In my opinion you did. Yes, illegals can leave the United States and legally come back from their country is they do so through legal channels--- but they could do that under any circumstances no matter what law was put forth.

As a legal guest worker, they can apply for citizenship, but this is no more than the privilge anyone around the world has. under the Pence Plan, guest worker status is NOT tied to a path to citizenship--- nor does being a guest worker remove the privilege of applying for citizenship.

I respect your opinion although mine differs from yours. At least you are capable of a rational debate, unlike a few here on this thread.

I do see your point that a legal guest worker is not specifically "tied" to a pathway to citizenship and thus can continue on indefinitely just being a legal worker.

It is my contention that "amnesty" means forgiveness. The fact that some legal workers might not apply for citizenship does nothing to discount the fact that they *can* obtain citizenship, hence my position that this is in effect a "pathway to citizenship" (amnesty).

I view US citizenship as the "holy Grail" and the ultimate privilege on this planet.

I guess I'll just have to very respectfully disagree with you on this one.

Thanks for stating your case in a calm, rational manner.

In my opinion you did. Yes, illegals can leave the United States and legally come back from their country is they do so through legal channels--- but they could do that under any circumstances no matter what law was put forth.

If they violated US laws, their chances of returning are nil. Moreover, many would not even qualify to come here as tourists.

As a legal guest worker, they can apply for citizenship, but this is no more than the privilge anyone around the world has. under the Pence Plan, guest worker status is NOT tied to a path to citizenship--- nor does being a guest worker remove the privilege of applying for citizenship.

No, guest workers don't have the right, in most cases, to apply for citizenship in the US. The Pence plan treats the 12 to 20 million illegals already in the US differently than future guest workers. They can jump to the head of the processing line and no quotas are applied against them for reentry. They are also given the option to apply for permanent residence status and eventual citizenship upon expiration of their W visas or return home. No other guest workers have this option except for some H1B visa holders.