[taxed2death]

I respect your opinion although mine differs from yours. At least you are capable of a rational debate, unlike a few here on this thread.

I do see your point that a legal guest worker is not specifically "tied" to a pathway to citizenship and thus can continue on indefinitely just being a legal worker.

It is my contention that "amnesty" means forgiveness. The fact that some legal workers might not apply for citizenship does nothing to discount the fact that they *can* obtain citizenship, hence my position that this is in effect a "pathway to citizenship" (amnesty).

I view US citizenship as the "holy Grail" and the ultimate privilege on this planet.

I guess I'll just have to very respectfully disagree with you on this one.

Thanks for stating your case in a calm, rational manner.

[mjolnir]

I view US citizenship as the "holy Grail" and the ultimate privilege on this planet. I guess I'll just have to very respectfully disagree with you on this one. Thanks for stating your case in a calm, rational manner.

Back at you! I agree that U.S. citizenship is the ultimate privilege on this planet. I actually am rooting for Tancredo to be persuasive in his objections to the Pence Plan. One of President Bush's biggest problems is that the greatest pressure on him from his own party in the Senate has come from the left in the form of Senator McCain. The fact that John McCain rather than, say, Steve Forbes came in second in the Republican primaries (thanks largely to the stupid open primary policy of states like Michigan) gave him a cache and power he otherwise would have lacked. I'm hoping the Pence Plan's opposition from the left is drowned out and made ridiculous by its opponents on the right.