You need to read the Pence plan. It is not only amnesty, it is unworkable.
But people ask, "Congressman, if you're not going to provide amnesty, what are you going to do with 12 million illegal aliens"?
Pence recognizes that these are illegal aliens who have violated the laws and sovereignity of this country by entering illegally. Many, if not most, are also guilty of identity theft and using phony or the SS numbers of others, which are felonies.
Therefore, the solution is to set up a system that will encourage illegal aliens to self-deport and come back legally as guest workers. This may sound outside of the box, and it is. It may sound far-fetched and unrealistic, but it isn't.
Private worker placement agencies that we could call "Ellis Island Centers" will be licensed by the federal government to match willing guest workers with jobs in America that employers cannot fill with American workers. U.S. employers will engage the private agencies and request guest workers. In a matter of days, the private agencies will match guest workers with jobs, perform a health screening, fingerprint them and provide the appropriate information to the FBI and Homeland Security so that a background check can be performed, and provide the guest worker with a visa granted by the State Department. The visa will be issued only outside of the United States.
The idea that 12 million illegals can self-deport, be processed in less than a week, and return to the US is totally unrealistic. Remember, only about 60% of the illegals are from Mexico. We will need these Ellis Island centers set up all over the world. As someone who has worked for the USG and been involved in visa issuance overseas, background and police checks cannot be done in a week. It will take weeks and months to do such checks in the home country as well as in the US. The same holds true for fingerprint checks and medical examinations, especially in the numbers indicated. If the State Department is going to have to issue these visas abroad, it will take a huge investment of new resources to do such processing.
There are some unanswered questions about what happens when the applicants cannot pass the medcial examinations or something comes up in the police and background check. Why would the illegals take that chance and leave the US, a country they entered at great risk and expense?
Outside of the United States. That is a key point because it is the provision that will require the 12 million illegal aliens to leave. Now, some of you are thinking to yourselves that twelve million people aren't going to pack up and leave just to get a visa to come back legally. But, I believe most will.
The process that I just described to you will only take a matter of one week, or less. That is the beauty of the program. Speed is so important. No employer in America wants to lose employees for an extended amount of time. No worker who is earning money to feed and clothe a family can afford to be off the job for long.
Currently, there are 6 million people in line waiting to gain permanent residence status in the US. Most are located overseas awaiting to come in under the caps on various categories of immigration. Pence proposes to process the 12 million illegals in the US in less than a week and have them return to the US to live and work with so called W visas, which are for a total of six years, renewed in two year increments.
These illegals are receiving preferential treatment because they can live and work in the US and then apply for citizenship six years down the road. It is unfair to all the others who have been waiting in line for years in hell holes waiting to come here. Why are these 12 million getting special treatment?
Let me give you a few other details on the guest worker program. The visas will be referred to as "W Visas."
Now, for some less interesting details. First, the number of guest workers will be limited. After the program is up and running, there will be a period of three years when the market and the needs of U.S. employers will set the limit on the number of guest workers. Not letting the market and the needs of employers govern the number of guest workers initially will prevent illegal aliens from being willing to self-deport. No one wants to be one number over the limit, and that person will want to come here or stay here illegally.
For the first three years of the Pence Plan, there are no limits on the number of "guest workers" who can receive the W visa. Essentially, all the illegals in the US now will be eligible.
But, after three years of this program, we should be in a vastly different situation from where we are now. The great majority of illegal aliens will have self-deported and come back into a confirmed job. The number of those who don't should be a manageable number for law enforcement to pursue and employers to terminate. Therefore, after three years of the program, a reasonable limit on the number of W Visas will be determined by the Department of Labor based on employment statistics, employer needs and other research.
It is painfully obvious that the less than one week out of the country for 12 million people who violated our laws is just a scam. It has more to do with optics than actual substance. Going through the motions should fool no one.
There also will be a limit on the amount of time a guest worker can spend in America. We cannot have people coming to America as permanent guest workers. That is why having a six-year limit is important. It keeps the meaning of the word "guest" in guest worker.
This is the amnesty portion of the plan. At the end of the six years, the W visa holders have the option of going home or seeking citizenship in the US. This allows them to stay in the country and obtain citizenship, probably via a green card. This was confirmed by Pence's spokesman, "After the third term, they have to apply for permanent legal residence or leave," said Matt Lloyd, a spokesman for Pence.
This is the same as the McCain/Kennedy/Martinez/Hagel's plan of going to the back of the line nonsense and an earned path to citizenship. Just allowing these people to live and work in the US while changing status is jumping the line and being rewarded for illegal behavior. Presumably, these people will be allowed to continue working while the processing is being done.
There is no way we are going to deport someone who has been here illegally for up to 20 years and, then six more years under the Pence plan. Moreover, why should they be allowed to apply for citizenship at all? If I lie on a federal job application, I not only don't get the job, I face a jail sentence and/or fine. There should be no path to citizenship period.
"But the plan met immediate resistance from Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), leader of House Republicans who oppose moves toward legalizing undocumented immigrants. "Mike Pence is making the same mistakes that the president has — using the straw man of mass deportations and redefining amnesty to suit his interests," Tancredo said. He added that he was baffled by Pence's shift from an enforcement-only position
Pence recognizes that these are illegal aliens who have violated the laws and sovereignity of this country by entering illegally. Many, if not most, are also guilty of identity theft and using phony or the SS numbers of others, which are felonies.
The idea that 12 million illegals can self-deport, be processed in less than a week, and return to the US is totally unrealistic. Remember, only about 60% of the illegals are from Mexico. We will need these Ellis Island centers set up all over the world. As someone who has worked for the USG and been involved in visa issuance overseas, background and police checks cannot be done in a week. It will take weeks and months to do such checks in the home country as well as in the US. The same holds true for fingerprint checks and medical examinations, especially in the numbers indicated. If the State Department is going to have to issue these visas abroad, it will take a huge investment of new resources to do such processing.
There are some unanswered questions about what happens when the applicants cannot pass the medcial examinations or something comes up in the police and background check. Why would the illegals take that chance and leave the US, a country they entered at great risk and expense?
Currently, there are 6 million people in line waiting to gain permanent residence status in the US. Most are located overseas awaiting to come in under the caps on various categories of immigration. Pence proposes to process the 12 million illegals in the US in less than a week and have them return to the US to live and work with so called W visas, which are for a total of six years, renewed in two year increments.
These illegals are receiving preferential treatment because they can live and work in the US and then apply for citizenship six years down the road. It is unfair to all the others who have been waiting in line for years in hell holes waiting to come here. Why are these 12 million getting special treatment?
For the first three years of the Pence Plan, there are no limits on the number of "guest workers" who can receive the W visa. Essentially, all the illegals in the US now will be eligible.
It is painfully obvious that the less than one week out of the country for 12 million people who violated our laws is just a scam. It has more to do with optics than actual substance. Going through the motions should fool no one.
This is the amnesty portion of the plan. At the end of the six years, the W visa holders have the option of going home or seeking citizenship in the US. This allows them to stay in the country and obtain citizenship, probably via a green card. This was confirmed by Pence's spokesman, "After the third term, they have to apply for permanent legal residence or leave," said Matt Lloyd, a spokesman for Pence.
This is the same as the McCain/Kennedy/Martinez/Hagel's plan of going to the back of the line nonsense and an earned path to citizenship. Just allowing these people to live and work in the US while changing status is jumping the line and being rewarded for illegal behavior. Presumably, these people will be allowed to continue working while the processing is being done.
There is no way we are going to deport someone who has been here illegally for up to 20 years and, then six more years under the Pence plan. Moreover, why should they be allowed to apply for citizenship at all? If I lie on a federal job application, I not only don't get the job, I face a jail sentence and/or fine. There should be no path to citizenship period.
"But the plan met immediate resistance from Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), leader of House Republicans who oppose moves toward legalizing undocumented immigrants. "Mike Pence is making the same mistakes that the president has — using the straw man of mass deportations and redefining amnesty to suit his interests," Tancredo said. He added that he was baffled by Pence's shift from an enforcement-only position.
You defeatist Tancredo clones are doing way too much thinking. Jump on the amnesty bandwagon. It is very easy to do. You don't have to have logical arguments or anything. Just use your heart, not your head. Then, move onto the next political debate. Be at peace. Don't forget, you have a much more positive outlook with nice rose-colored glasses on.
Use this illegal "problem" to your advantage. Start your own landscaping business and hire a few illegals to work for you. Convience yourself you are doing the right thing and the moral thing by employing suffering people who would starve without your help. Make a six-figure salary. Bush is not enforcing the laws, nobody is. Be compassionate and start your own business hiring illegals or requested your own indentured servents (who can be deported if they don't meet your standards). With billions of people living in poverty, indentured servitude is far better than what they what they have been through. Don't lose any sleep hiring indentured servents or illegals, think of yourself as a modern-day saint for helping people.