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Trying to get a glimpse of what’s over on the other side (Signs of Life after Death?)
.theheraldbulletin ^ | June 11 06 | Jim Bailey

Posted on 06/10/2006 9:45:53 PM PDT by churchillbuff

Despite lifelong beliefs that have been ingrained in my faith since childhood, I have to admit that like almost everyone else I have from time to time wondered if my existence will simply come to an end on the day I draw my last breath.

There is, after all, no way to prove one way or the other that human life continues in another realm after the body ceases to function. Nobody has come back to testify about it, with one notable exception of course, and those who reject his divinity also tend to doubt what he had to say about life after death. And the late Madalyn Murray O’Hair, the infamous atheist, hasn’t weighed in on the subject lately either.

Some would insist such doubts are implanted by the devil himself. Others counter there is no scientific basis for belief in a hereafter in the first place.

But just about every time I entertain such doubts, something comes along to reinforce my long-held belief in the hereafter. It’s often the experience of a dying saint getting their first glimpse, as an old gospel song puts it, of what’s over on the other side.

I’m told the Rev. Dr. Hollis Pistole appeared to have one such experience at his passing a little over a month ago. According to the story, Dr. Pistole, after a long battle with debilitating illness, raised up and put his arms out just before he drew his last breath. Apparently he received that glimpse of what awaited him.

My wife’s father had a similar experience, opening his eyes and reaching heavenward just before his passing.

I also recently went over my mom’s notes made at the time of my dad’s death more than half a century ago. “Under me? Under me? Thank you, Jesus,” he said.

A whole category of what have been termed near-death experiences have been catalogued by those looking for insight into what happens at the end of life. A common phenomenon is a light-at-the-end-of-a-tunnel vision. Many claim to have seen friends or relatives but were unable to reunite with them when they were suddenly jerked back into life.

My Uncle Melvin had such an experience, claiming to have seen his brother and another loved one at the time he was suffering a severe heart attack from which he recovered.

It is impossible to figure out the working of the subconscious, thus rendering any attempt at concrete conclusions problematic. Are any or all of these phenomena merely the gyrations of an active brain or might they be an indication of a link between this world and one to come?

Belief in life after death has been part of human experience as long as mankind has pondered its existence. It has been reinforced by the most sacred writings of most of the world’s major religions, including Christianity, which bases its entire concept on the idea of God personally demonstrating life after physical death through the manifestation we call Jesus.

In this life, of course, our existence is tied to our physical body. But to define human life according to our physical limitations is an obvious understatement of our role in the universe. Human interaction is limited by our physical senses. But the true self that has developed over the course of our lifetimes would seem to go far beyond the senses.

And certainly there can be no doubt that the rationality of human beings and their capability to build on their life experiences place them in a category entirely separate from other living creatures.

Is there life after death? The question defies physical proof, to be sure. But there would seem to be glimpses enough into the future to show that our existence has only just begun.

And anyway, by preparing for eternity, I think I’m building a pretty good life here as well.

Jim Bailey’s column appears on Sunday. He can be reached by e-mail at jameshenrybailey@earthlink.net.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: afterlife; artbell; callingartbell; lifeafterdeath; nde; ndes; neardeathexperience; zaq
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To: churchillbuff

3 months after my father passed my mother, who had been pained by a sore foot for weeks, saw my father appear to her as she was sleeping and told her if she forgave him (for a wrong done 50 years ago) he would make the pain in her foot go away. She told him she forgave him and she woke up the next morning with her foot pain free.


141 posted on 06/11/2006 4:44:48 PM PDT by SamAdams_Lite
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To: null and void

Well, yes, but I was arguing the other side of the prospectus. If there was concrete proof in this world that the God of the Bible existed then it would diminish the worthiness of future believers who made the leap of faith. There would be no leap at all, merely the acknowledgement of the incontrovertable.

I think God would rather that we come to Him through a desire to seek Him rather than a compulsion to face Him. It is more to our credit if we believed without having tangible proof.


142 posted on 06/11/2006 4:47:15 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: CindyDawg

i am trying to follow you but it....

huh?


143 posted on 06/11/2006 4:49:36 PM PDT by restornu (He who is without sin cast the first stone, dang my stone privileges have been revoked!)
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To: Tall_Texan

Ah! I understand perfectly. Very well put.


144 posted on 06/11/2006 4:55:24 PM PDT by null and void (You see in others what you need to see most in yourself)
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To: churchillbuff

I have had an OBE when a friend of my was dying from cancer and watch him float in and out of the ceiling of his Room and told me it was ok I received a call in the morning he had died over night!

I have also talked to a Ghost who was dead for less than a week and at the time I did not know he was a Ghost!

This was around 11pm at night and I got call in the AM that he was found dead been there was almost a week!


145 posted on 06/11/2006 4:56:59 PM PDT by restornu (He who is without sin cast the first stone, dang my stone privileges have been revoked!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

http://h03.net/DontLink/GhostBusters.mid


146 posted on 06/11/2006 5:01:20 PM PDT by restornu (He who is without sin cast the first stone, dang my stone privileges have been revoked!)
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To: null and void

Sounds like a classic Lazamataz utterance.


147 posted on 06/11/2006 5:02:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: restornu

LOL!!!!


148 posted on 06/11/2006 5:03:01 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: MHGinTN; Lazamataz
Nope. Might be older than him. Certainly predates his screen name...
149 posted on 06/11/2006 5:04:56 PM PDT by null and void (You see in others what you need to see most in yourself)
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To: Jet Jaguar

From THE DOORS and of course Riders on the Storm

THE GHOST SONG Lyrics

Awake.
Shake dreams from your hair
my pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
the day's divinity
First thing you see.

A vast radiant beach and cooled jeweled moon
Couples naked race down by it's quiet side
And we laugh like soft, mad children
Smug in the wooly cotton brains of infancy
The music and voices are all around us.

Choose they croon the Ancient Ones
the time has come again
choose now, they croon
beneath the moon
beside an ancient lake

Enter again the sweet forest
Enter the hot dream
Come with us
everything is broken up and dances.

Indians scattered,
On dawn's highway bleeding
Ghosts crowd the young child’s,
Fragile eggshell mind

We have assembled inside,
This ancient and insane theater
To propagate our lust for our life,
And flee the swarming wisdom of the streets.

The barns have stormed
The windows kept,
And only one of all the rest
To dance and save us
From the divine mockery of words,
Music inflames temperament.

Ooh great creator of being
Grant us one more hour,
To perform our art
And perfect our lives.

We need great golden copulations,

When the true kings murders
Are allowed to roam free,
A thousand magicians arise in the land
Where are the feast we are promised?

One more thing

Thank you oh lord
For the white blind light
Thank you oh lord
For the white blind light

A city rises from the sea
I had a splitting headache
From which the future's made


150 posted on 06/11/2006 5:26:13 PM PDT by restornu (He who is without sin cast the first stone, dang my stone privileges have been revoked!)
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To: Ready2go
He also continued on with his journey (NDE)& saw something there so fearful that he'd turn white & would be visibly shaken whenever we asked him what else he saw. """

That's pretty scary. Some of the NDE books report on hellish experiences, and I don't think we should ignore these reports. If Jesus had to die to save us, there has to be something - some place - from which we need saving.

151 posted on 06/11/2006 5:26:18 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: RonHolzwarth

"Yes, there is more."

Yep!


152 posted on 06/11/2006 5:30:06 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
On Mathew 25, I have always assumed that this is the judgment of nations, not of individual people. Since verse 32 says all the nations are gathered before him.

That is the major reason why I think there is surprise. We peoples of nations see the glory and majesty and perfect sinlessness of The Ancient of Days, we see Christ setting as Judge of the World and we know all the sins that as a nation we have committed. This is not so much personal sins, but things that we have allowed our country to do: 40,000,000 innocent lives have been murdered in our country by legal abortion; we made treaties with indigenous people that we broke; we allowed slavery; we have idolized and made much of those who could sing, act, or throw a ball well, instead of those who have been giving their lives (both by sacrificing living and by living a life of sacrifice) for us.

This is not said to cut down America (I still think we are the greatest county on earth and a sheep nation) but to give an understanding of why the people seem surprised. All the people are totally conscience of the perfection of both God and His law and aware of how much their nation has missed the mark of that law.
153 posted on 06/11/2006 5:30:22 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: restornu; AnAmericanMother

Hi Rest. How are you doing? I was talking about the verses that AAM posted in 133. Today, if someone was allowed to come back, would things be any different? I think not. I don't know if you believe in the rapture or not but I do. I wonder sometimes how our media will explain that away. You think it's already canned, just in case?:')


154 posted on 06/11/2006 5:37:27 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: rightazrain
Re:Peaches

In Revelation, it describes Jesus returning on a White Horse. Also, remember the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse. If Horses are in Heaven, why not dogs and cats?
155 posted on 06/11/2006 5:40:28 PM PDT by Petruchio (* Censored *)
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To: jennyp

Because wanting something means willingness to pay the price for it, otherwise it's simply liking the idea of having something but only if it's handed over on a silver platter.

Every student likes the idea of getting straight-A's, but only those who put in the time to study actually *want* it.

The person who isn't willing to make the sacrifices in this life for the afterlife is no different from the kid who partied all night before final exam. Both will be denied what they claim they wanted because when they had chances to earn it they weren't willing to make the sacrifice.


156 posted on 06/11/2006 5:51:36 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: garylmoore
"....every creation MUST have a creator!"

Including the Creator itself?

157 posted on 06/11/2006 6:14:59 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: CindyDawg
I think did there are various definitions I guess the LDS would call it translated!

Meaning in the thousand years of peace those who were worthy would be translated and other would just live out their normal lenght of time and die!

158 posted on 06/11/2006 6:39:12 PM PDT by restornu (He who is without sin cast the first stone, dang my stone privileges have been revoked!)
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To: muir_redwoods

The Creator is not a created being. He names Himself as 'I Am' and to Moses, "I am that I Am.' Not 'Me from Him' or 'Me from Him And Her', just 'I Am'. Back in ancient times, names were referrals, as in 'Muir from The Woods' or 'the Muir of MacMuir' meaning Muir from a particular Mother and Father.


159 posted on 06/11/2006 6:47:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: null and void

"Would it be Heaven for you, if you could never be with Peaches again?"

Of course it would be Heaven, without a dog, but with my Lord and all the redeemed, past, present, and future. You aren't trying to trivialize my faith in Jesus Christ? I hope and trust that you are not.


160 posted on 06/11/2006 6:48:29 PM PDT by rightazrain (OK, who put a "Stop Payment" on my reality check?)
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