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Native Americans Recorded Supernova Explosion
New Scientist ^
| 6-5-2006
| Zeeya Merali - Kelly Young
Posted on 06/05/2006 4:27:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Pioneer psychiatrist Dr. Carl Jung came up with his theory of psychic archetypes and the collective unconscious. And symbols like the cross or the swastika are used all over the world by different cultures.
Unfortunately for that theory: those symbols from different cultures may look alike but have different meanings!
Besides, crosses, circles and swastikas are easy to make. What did you expect someone to etch into a rock? A mile wide abstract symbol or a wiggly line? There are only so many ways to make a wiggly line, so you get repetition.
IF the symbols also carry the same meaning, well, than maybe you got something.
To: perfect stranger; maine-iac7
maine-iac7
We try to ignore the histories of the Native Americans because we haven't grown up enough yet to admit they were not just a bunch of wild savages whose lands we were meant to take thru' "manifest destiny."
Perfect stranger
Do you have a mouse in your pocket?
No he's just happy to see a petroglyph depicting a nova. I'd like to add that native americans where already known to depict stars to begin with, so I would think it ain't a big leap from assuming that they would actually remember which stars are in what position. The individuals that where interested in stars anyway.
To: little jeremiah
I hold that ancient Hebrew is the ancient languiage from which all Indo-European languages are derived.
But you will find that many words are eerily similar in meaning and construction among most languages, so finding out exactly which one is the oldest is difficult. More likely the oldest language simply does not exist anymore though. I still think that Negev-hebrew is the closest to it, since it is incredibly simple in written depiction (pictographs) yet carry very complex symbolic meaning.
The oldest example of written language is also either hebrew or egyptian, depending on which dating you trust. So that makes it likely that the verbal component is also ancient.
To: paudio
Maybe both sides are right! Indians DID depict the super nova, but only since the aliens told them about the event.
To: maine-iac7
Gibson is finally making a movie on one such civilization - the Mayans. Disappointing...
It's Gibson. What do you expect? After that passion movie nonsense it is obvious that guy doesn't care about the truth. He has no choice but to make all other cultures look like barbarians like glorify his own.
Anyway, I heard Mayans probably did sacrifice people, but any culture killed out of name of their religion. So I don't see if it matters whether you sacrifice directly to your deity or wipe out entire cultures out of name of your deity.
To: maine-iac7
No offense but I find it hard to believe that American Indians.... or ANY indians for that matter, would look up at the stars and see a scorpion in that group of stars. (Even WITH the line drawn in for clarity.)
To: coconutt2000
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posted on
06/06/2006 8:11:40 AM PDT
by
gcruse
(http://gcruse.typepad.com)
To: blam
I'm sure we could come up with unending titles for the "rock art" piece. Dating it is another thing.
I knew I was on the path of the old trail....stopped...carved (with stone cutters tools)1786 on it with particular initials attached. Someday, someone will notice it and go nuts!!
108
posted on
06/06/2006 8:17:17 AM PDT
by
Sacajaweau
(God Bless Our Troops!!)
To: blam
We scared the hell out of the natives when we knew a solar eclipse would occur!!
109
posted on
06/06/2006 8:19:11 AM PDT
by
Sacajaweau
(God Bless Our Troops!!)
To: From many - one.
Egyptian mummies of the ruling class contain chemical residue of cocaine and tobacco, neither of which were crops raised in the old world but had to be imported from the new world. Besides that, by 1000 AD Euros were wandering all over the new world.
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posted on
06/06/2006 8:26:44 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Off touch and out of base)
To: little jeremiah
SANSKRIT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit
The original form, Vedic Sanskrit, was probably in use as early as 1800 BC.
ARCHAIC EGYPTIAN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian
Archaic Egyptian (before 2600 BC)
Old Egyptian (2600 BC 2000 BC)
SUMERIAN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language
The Sumerian language of ancient Sumer was spoken in Southern Mesopotamia from at least the 4th millennium BCE.
HEBREW
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew_language
Biblical Hebrew is further divided into the so called 'Golden Age' Hebrew (1200 BCE to 500 BCE) and 'Silver Age' Hebrew (500 BCE to 60 BCE).
I havent been able to find a wiki page on negev Hebrew, that is the language which is the predecessor of biblical Hebrew, but I remember it was dated at around 4th century BC at least, and some claim it is older. At least Egyptian and Sumerian language is older than Sanskrit.
To: Vicomte13
devolved from the same parent tongue or tongues Maybe they devolved, but not much. BTW, the winning word in the national spelling bee was Ursprache, which we are now allowed to use as if it were an English word rather than German.
112
posted on
06/06/2006 8:32:53 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Off touch and out of base)
To: S0122017
After that passion movie nonsense it is obvious that guy doesn't care about the truth. He has no choice but to make all other cultures look like barbarians like glorify his own. So I'm NOT the only one on the planet that saw Gibson's twisted Passion script as nonsense.......
I think the runaway best "Jesus" movie is still Franco Zeffirelli's 1977, "Jesus of Nazareth" .
It follows the bible faithfully, except for the MM=whore bit.
The actors are superbly cast, the scenes and photography are museum paintings,,,The emphasis is on Jesus's mission = His teachings. Look at this cast!
Cast overview, first billed only:
Robert Powell .... Jesus Christ
Anne Bancroft .... Mary Magdalene
Ernest Borgnine .... The Centurion
Claudia Cardinale .... The Adulteress
Valentina Cortese .... Herodias
James Farentino .... Simon Peter
James Earl Jones .... Balthazar
Stacy Keach .... Barabbas
Tony Lo Bianco .... Quintilius
James Mason .... Joseph of Arimathea
Ian McShane .... Judas Iscariot
Laurence Olivier .... Nicodemus
Donald Pleasence .... Melchior
Christopher Plummer .... Herod Antipas
Anthony Quinn .... Caiaphas
(more)
Robert Powell is perfect in the role - and his face is Jesus... This movie is a watch again and again one. Not many of them.
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posted on
06/06/2006 8:44:49 AM PDT
by
maine-iac7
(Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
To: TXnMA
Yes, I wasn't trying to hide the time-exposure factor but perhaps should have made a specific statement.
Trouble is, that image doesn't look all that different from the night sky in rural areas when I was a kid.
And I haven't seen any image of that region of the sky that looks like a scorpion.
And (again see my post 37 and I have more) the myths and names are too similar in my view for anything by contact or continuity.
To: elli1
And similar myths, word stucture and gender (female, all scorpion-sky-deieties I've ever read about are female except one; two are female human with scorpion tails)
To: From many - one.; TXnMA
anything
but contact or continuity
not "by"
To: S0122017; Gengis Khan
Wikipedia is made out of whatever people put into it. I wish I had time to investigate and post on this thread. I'll ping Gengis again, maybe he'll have time. The history you're depending on is "fluid".
To: little jeremiah
The same counts for this forum LOL
Iif I go searching in archeological books, I will find out other dates? I know Egyptian language is dated to be very old, at least 5000 years.
To: S0122017
Unfortunately many of my books are packed at the moment. Later on tonight I'll see what I can dig up.
To: blam
120
posted on
06/06/2006 1:53:14 PM PDT
by
Captain Beyond
(The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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