Bush Shuns Republicans' Stand to Return Illegals(W still doesn't get it!)

You are right...It also parrots exactly the policy position laid out by the Council on Foreign Relations, the Canadian Council on Chief Executives, and Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales report entitled "Building a North American Community" dated 2005. See it referenced with a link at http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=14965.

It details the plan to use several methods to create the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP).

I don't ever remember voting to get rid of my country's sovereignty, but it will be done through treaties all confirmed by the Senate, and the Supreme Court will never over turn a treaty because it infringes on my individual constitutional rights.

They have made treaties for manufacturing. Now they are working to "equalize" the labor markets with Mexico and Canada. It is all a policy established in the 2005 CFR report.

The Senate now also wishes with the immigration bill (§ 114) to give aide to Mexico to protect its southern borders!

SEC. 114. IMPROVING THE SECURITY OF MEXICO'S SOUTHERN BORDER.
(a) Technical Assistance- The Secretary of State, in coordination with the Secretary, shall work to cooperate with the head of Foreign Affairs Canada and the appropriate officials of the Government of Mexico to establish a program--
(1) to assess the specific needs of Guatemala and Belize in maintaining the security of the international borders of such countries;
(2) to use the assessment made under paragraph (1) to determine the financial and technical support needed by Guatemala and Belize from Canada, Mexico, and the United States to meet such needs;
(3) to provide technical assistance to Guatemala and Belize to promote issuance of secure passports and travel documents by such countries; and
(4) to encourage Guatemala and Belize--
(A) to control alien smuggling and trafficking;
(B) to prevent the use and manufacture of fraudulent travel documents; and
(C) to share relevant information with Mexico, Canada, and the United States.
(b) Border Security for Belize, Guatemala, and Mexico- The Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall work to cooperate--
(1) with the appropriate officials of the Government of Guatemala and the Government of Belize to provide law enforcement assistance to Guatemala and Belize that specifically addresses immigration issues to increase the ability of the Government of Guatemala to dismantle human smuggling organizations and gain additional control over the international border between Guatemala and Belize; and
(2) with the appropriate officials of the Government of Belize, the Government of Guatemala, the Government of Mexico, and the governments of neighboring contiguous countries to establish a program to provide needed equipment, technical assistance, and vehicles to manage, regulate, and patrol the international borders between Mexico and Guatemala and between Mexico and Belize.

If that's ten feet thick, 50 feet tall and goes down fifty feet under the surface, it gets my vote!

W still doesn't get it!

Neither do his advisers or the Senate Repubs... we've known that the Iraq war is for the long term for the last two years. The reason why W's approval has dropped in the last few MONTHS is the incomprehensible position on those who've invaded our country illegally.

Okay (?)

Bttt

Clawrence3 -

I don't believe he was referring to the Minutemen. The Washington Times states he was referring to the Minutemen. Read this, or if you are unable, ask someone to read it to you.

it's from March 24, 2005

Bush decries border project

By James G. Lakely
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

WACO, Texas — President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes."
He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law.
More than 1,000 people — including 30 pilots and their private planes — have volunteered for the Minuteman Project, beginning next month along the Arizona-Mexico border. Civilians will monitor the movement of illegal aliens for the month of April and report them to the Border Patrol.

"cheap labor?"

The Criminal Factor: Illegal immigrants are a great danger to America. They are all lawbreakers by virtue of entering America illegally, and when they arrive, a significant number continue to break laws; they steal, rape, murder, form and join gangs, sell drugs, and engage in illegal weapons trade.

In 2002, illegals cost the federal prison and court systems $1.6 billion. That doesn't include costs incurred by individual states. The state of Arizona spends $80 million each year incarcerating illegals.

"In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens." - City Journal's Heather Mac DonaldThe Social Services Factor: Illegals are not American citizens, and yet they sap social services and cost hospitals billions of dollars in unpaid-for health care.

In 2002 illegals cost the federal government $2.5 billion in Medicaid, $1.9 billion in food assistance programs, and $2.2 billion in treatment for the uninsured. States near the border suffer the biggest burden. For instance, illegal immigrants' health care costs Arizona alone about $400 million each year. California takes an even bigger hit. "California's addiction to 'cheap' illegal-alien labor is bankrupting the state and posing enormous burdens on the state's shrinking middle-class tax base," -FAIR President Dan Stein.

The Disease Factor: Not only are illegal aliens bankrupting hospitals on the U.S. border, they are bringing diseases into the country, including drug-resistant-tuberculosis, leprosy, hepatitis A, and Chagas Disease, an organ-attacking parasite imported from South America.

The Education Factor: The children of illegal aliens cost federal and state government billions each year. These students cost more to teach than other children because many speak only Spanish or other foreign languages, and school systems have to deal with their cultural and language gaps while trying to teach them reading and long division. Immigrants cause overcrowded classes and suck funding that could be going toward helping American kids. California spends $8 billion per year trying to educate the children of illegal immigrants.

The Terrorism Factor: We can only guess how many of America's enemies are in the U.S. illegally. Stopping up our porous borders is vital for our nation's security.

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/theeconomy/a/illegalaliens_p.htm

They may be "cheap" on the front end but they are costing us a arm and a leg on the back end...not to forget our sovereignty!

Semper Fi,
Kelly

I appreciate your input and bringing this issue up. This would mean tht doing nothing and not passing a law would still give a great deal of legal pressure to stop the flow anyway, as long as prosecutors were willing to force these issues in the most important jurisdictions.

I have no strings to hold me down, to make me fret or make me frown, I have no strings as you can see there are no strings on me!

So, wait a minute - you DON'T believe Bush was referring to the Minutemen?

There are two things that are going unsaid in all of this:

1. Mr. Bush barely mentioned immigration in the 2004 campaign. Nor his opponent. War and economy were the topics. Those were the things he won on, in addition to his continued assertion of social conservative values. He wasn't elected to go mad on this issue, yet he has.

2. Where is the push to solve age old Conservative demands? Why not a fanatical, stubborn attack on something like abortion? We almost ended up with his social secretary for a judge. If he concentrated anything like this much effort on real Conservative issues, he would have no problems.

The bottom line is this: Many people say "well, he's been saying he wants this forever" -- but only when asked, and it was never a major campaign item. So why is it now the policy Jihad of the Century? Why has he divided -- radically -- his own party?

There is no popular demand for this. Totally the opposite. Yet he goes off, raving madly that we must do this NOW! or else the sky will fall, instead of spearheading initiatives the people who elected him really want.

"This nation has endured far higher waves of immigration."

Maybe as a percentage of population but never, but never in these numbers. This is a frigging invasion!

This is about a lot more than just immigration.

Once you add all that up, subtract that from the benefits to society and economy and what it would cost to fully enforce the law - if it is a net negative, then even i would agree with building the wall.

GW purposely left the borders open for 5 years just so he could one day say that. To try and present honest Americans with a fait accompli.

Truer words were never spoken. I like the way you characterize the tactic as a fait accompli approach, because that's exactly what it is. "We can't deport them all! Never mind that it's my fault they're here in the first place."

Bush's open borders policy has been 100% dishonest.

Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. Bush made his position on immigration pretty clear in 2000, and unfortunately it didn't hurt him in the primary.

Was the higher waves of immigration (as a percentage of the population) also an "invasion"? Look up the "Know-Nothing Party" and results thereof.

This nation has endured far higher waves of immigration.

That's not true. Immigration is now at an all time high, and it's been that way for a while.

The Senate Bill S.2611, which we assume Bush supports, requires any illegal alien who has resided in the US less than two years be deported. Exempted are persons over 65 years of age. Question: How will the US determine how long the aliens have resided in the US. How and who will deport these individuals? Those who have lived and worked in the US over 2 years can apply for temporary residency status. How many among the estimated 12,000,000 illegal aliens will come forward and apply for such residency, and pay back taxes and a fine for the priviledge? Many will pass and take their chances as they do now.

A guest worker program (rightly called amnesty at that time) did not work in 1986, and it will not work now. The flow of illegal aliens will continue.