Posted on 06/02/2006 3:46:47 PM PDT by kellynla
President Bush yesterday rejected House Republicans' stance that illegal aliens must return home, calling it "wrong and unrealistic" and saying many will have to be allowed to stay.
Speaking to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a block from the White House, Mr. Bush also directly challenged businesses to hire only legal workers, and said those that don't should be prepared to face increased fines. In addition, he said both the House and Senate will have to compromise, but said voters expect a bill and he said that bill should tackle both enforcement and a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens.
"The difficulty of this task is no excuse for avoiding it," he said.
Mr. Bush was making his first in-depth comments since the Senate passed its broad immigration bill last week, setting up a showdown over immigration policy with the House, which passed an enforcement bill in December.
Last Friday, and again on Sunday, Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., Wisconsin Republican and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said he cannot accept any approach that allows illegal aliens to stay in the country with the government's approval.
"The words 'path to citizenship' is a buzzword for amnesty. We ought to be honest -- it is amnesty," Mr. Sensenbrenner, a key House negotiator, said on NBC's "Meet the Press" program. He contends that more enforcement against employers would make it hard for illegal aliens to get jobs, encouraging them to go home. But Mr. Bush dismissed that argument.
"Listen, I appreciate the members are acting on deeply felt principles. I understand that. Yet I also believe that the approach they suggest is wrong and unrealistic," he said.
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Damn straight. There is a little issue in that we are now a United States of America, and Texas is not allowed to overthrow Mexico (again). Y'all need to convince your congresscritters to allow the full force of the USA to get Mexico "squared away". We do not hate or resent our neighbors. The Mexican government is a different story. They need a regime change in the worst way. The nattering ninnies that are scared of a "reconquest" need to understand that we are the hyperpower capable (and willing) to eliminate the foreign government that the "reconquistadors" desire to base upon. Just sayin'.
I agree with everything in your last post.
What's the two step?
Now, we're finally talkin Texan!
I like how you think.
Anyone have any idea how long it currently takes for an adult brother or sister of a U.S. Citizen to emigrate legally? It depends somewhat on the country and quotas, but try 12 years! It took my wife's petition for them more than 5 years to be approved. Now we have to wait for an "available visa number", which at present rates will take another 6 years or so. In this case, the country of origin is Thailand.
Why not let those in here already apply for whatever program we come up with (no guarantee we'll come up with anything...), take their application $$$ and let them keep us posted on their changes of address and all. Maybe in 10 - 15 years, they'll get a letter with good news, assuming they've paid taxes and etc. Maybe not. But if you haven't applied and get caught, good luck to you.
You aint quite right in the noggin, IMHO. I am calling for Vicente's head on a pike, and you are turning on our duly elected government? NB4ZOT.
If we even utter the word "Mexican" we're called racist, however with our senate more interested in keeping Mexico's southern border sealed than our own, it seems they only want all Mexicans, all the time.
Bingo! I've argued for that in the past as well. If a business can't deduct wage expenses for them, employment of illegal invaders would quickly drop like a rock!
The IRS could immediately send out letters to every single company that shows up as having submitted false SSNs that those deductions for the current and previous years had been disallowed.
Not gonna happen though, because there is no net benefit to the government in doing it. No new laws were passed. No provision of the Constitution was whittled away. The heat on the frogs was not cranked up. Nope. Not gonna happen.
To all: this has been a great thread!
If you let them stay in the US the whole time they wait, how is that punishment?
What is the two step you ask? Enforcement first, show that it works and is being enforced, and there are real labor shortages being created, where wages are so inelastic that wages shoot up to "unacceptable" levels, and THEN, and only THEN, introduce a guest worker program. I don't mind the guest workers gaining bonus points towards moving up in the line to a permanant green card, but it needs to be demonstrated just where are economy needs more workers and why. Meanwhile let us open the doors wider to immigrants who represent the best and the brighest, the way Canada does. Canada actually recruits that cohort. Heck bring in some some more English speaking lawyers, to help drive down the billable rates of lawyers, which is my guild. I hope that helps. Cheers.
With close to 300,000,000 American citizens, surely we can find some new blood for our presidency. I'm sick of these dynasties. The Kennedys, Clintons and Bushes seem to think the office is theirs to pass down. Absolutely no more Bushes for me!
What the Heck are you going to do? Impeach Vicente Fox??!! You're blaming Fox for the Amnesty?! But I'm not right in the noggin? Sounds like a little denial there...
If that's zottable, so be it. Sounds like reality to me. I can catch up on family quality time; LOL.
Americans are as mad as Zell about this amnesty and I think we underestimate that at our own peril.
I wonder if your family really wants it though.
Do not go bragging on that. You may become associated with a pariah that openly condemns the corrupt Mexican government, and advocates the US military overthrow of Mexico. Much safer to advocate contention between good Americans, demand impeachment and call for civil uprising inside the USA. Join me in calling for a wall. IN MEXICO. Never in Texas.
I think the Texans have it right here.
Reagan did amnesty and there was nothing like an impeachment drive against him.
You are over the top.
Is this true Marine Inspector? I for one don't believe it.
Maybe they need to raise the pay. Just a thought.
LOL. I've been reading the posts and thinking the same thing. :-)
It has appeared to me that Curiosity has merely been trying to say that a big issue he/she sees with documentation is the provison of law that makes the employer lawyer bait for questioning documentation. If the documentation looks legit, the legal presumtion from an employer perspective is, that it has to be presumed legit, or you'll face being sued over it. Others have pointed out that there are several ways to check SSNs and such, but I think Curiosity has been trying to say that if an employer wants to hire illegals, he has a legal fig-leaf of the way the law is currently written to have plausible deniability.
I think JD initially took Curiosity's comments about the insane state of law on the subject as support of same, when that wasn't the case.
Have I got it right Curiosity?
(Just kinda jumping in uninvited)
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