South Ossetia seeking to become part of Russia - Kokoity

Interfax ^ | Jun 2 2006 1:31PM

[x5452]

Jun 2 2006 1:31PM South Ossetia seeking to become part of Russia - Kokoity

MOSCOW. June 2 (Interfax) - South Ossetia's aim is to merge with the Russian republic of North Ossetia and to enter the Russian Federation, the breakaway province's President Eduard Kokoity told a news conference at the Interfax central office on Friday.

"The leaders and the people of South Ossetia defined their objectives a long time ago. The ultimate goal of our struggle is to restore historical justice, to merge with North Ossetia and to become part of the Russian Federation," he said.

"South Ossetia has already become a de facto Russian region. Ninety-five percent of South Ossetia's population are citizens of the Russian Federation," Kokoity said.

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

wikipedia was my source, is this information flawed?

I have followed events in this part of the world for some time, and this information is consistent with what I have read elsewhere. This is a rather small area compared with Abkhazia, and it appears to have ethnic Georgians (although a minority) in significant numbers. In Abkhazia the Georgians were in the majority, and Russia supported the Abkhazian cleansing of Georgians there. Was that proper?

[x5452]

Secessionists is an interesting word for 'autonomous republic placed within georgias borders by the soviet government'.

[x5452]

I suppose the same could be said when any foreign land invades.

I suppose you support the mexicans taking part of America on account of them being present in numbers?

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

I am glad you read Jefferson. People have the God given right to choose their government. I suppose deciding how that is implemented is the hard part. Neither of us want the Chechens to gain independence and import Islamofacism, does mean we are not in favor of freedom? The caucaus region is a complex mix of many ethnic groups. Some of these groups have lived together for many years peacefully, others like Armenians and Azeris. Armenia took back the Karabac from the Azeris (given to them by Stalin). I sympathized with the Armenians, but did not like the fact that people had to die to resolve the problem. There probably should be more diplomatic effort to resolve Caucasian ethnic conflicts.

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

If Mexicans come legally, they can become Americans.

[x5452]

No i'm talking about ones coming in with no persmission of the US government.

The analogos situation would be the UN declaring America part of Mexico, and so thousands of Mexicans jump the border claiming their in America legally. Then demanding English be banned, and the power cut off to the United States until such time as the citizenry submit.

The South Ossetian government has never conceded to be part of Georgia; the Soviet DECREED it.

This is the second time in as many days you've given the nod to SOVIET decisions trumping the values on which our own nation was founded; the right of a people to self govern.

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

Mexicans illegally coming to the USA have no right to take a portion of our country.

"This is the second time in as many days you've given the nod to SOVIET decisions trumping the values on which our own nation was founded; the right of a people to self govern."

I don't know the basis for the Soviet decision, but any concurrence would be of coincidence. I disagreed with Stalin's alliance with Hitler in 39, but agreed with Stalin's alliance with Britain and the USA later, that doesn't mean that I love Stalin.

I think that when you have small countries like Georgia with regions that include minority populations (not necessarily a majority in their own region) that dismembering that country may not be the best solution. Especially in South Ossetia where a significant number of Georgians live. The situation in Crimea has a stronger argument in favor of reassocation with Russia than these rather small number with small territories. Where do you draw the line? How small a land area and population before the country is destroyed? In Canada the Quebec Province has had two referendums on secession from Canada; both failed but the vote was close. If 51% of all the Quebec people vote for secession, is that enough, or is 51% of French Canadians enough?

[x5452]

The basis for the soviet decision with Crimea and with Georgia-Ossetia is they owned it, and moved ethnic groups around at their leisure. They reguraly made and took away borders at their discretion and moved or eliminated ethnicites to facilitate it.

[x5452]

See the blue dots? That's what is meant by non-contiguous. There are a handful of villigaes Georgia claims are all Georgians.

[Lukasz]

When Russia return Karelia to Finland? In comparison with pre-WWII map Latvia and Estonia also lost some lands, that is why Russia refuse to sign common border treaty with them, cause they are afraid of future claims. Do you support this (and more)?

[x5452]

Look at the PEOPLES. I know you Poles love to use the hitler approach of soviet lands, but when an ethnic people which the soviets DIDN'T exterminate demands to be free from Georgian opression, Democratic freedom loving folks say SURE! Polish fascists say NO! The SOVIET DECIDED YOU MUST BE EXTINCT.

You're Soros parroting is transparrent and anti freedom and anti democracy.

99% of the South Ossetian population has ruled, only Polish fascists and Hungarian born American liberals disagree.

[Grzegorz 246]

"Polish fascists say NO!"

Which "Polish fascists" ?

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

x5452, what Georgian oppression are you talking about? Also, if South Ossetia is made a part of Russia, should the Georgians in their own country be forced to leave or should the boundaries be revised?

[A. Pole]

Depends on whether you're Georgian.

What if you are Ossetian? Do you hate Ossetians?

[Lukasz]

only Polish fascists

a lot of arguments in this statement… So, which Polish fascists do you mean? Do not be a coward and name them.

and Hungarian born American liberals disagree.

in this undiplomatic and primitive comment (I mean whole sentence) you were enough politically correct to not write “Polish and Jewish fascists”. Just WOW…

[Lukasz]

x5452, what Georgian oppression are you talking about?

Everything what does not serve Kremlin’s interest in Georgia is called by him “Georgian oppression”.

[Lukasz]

What if you are Ossetian? Do you hate Ossetians?

What if you are Chechen, Kalmykh, Tatar, Mari, Kabardin, Balkar, etc Do you hate all of them?

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

x5452 stated in an earlier post that the Ukrainian government was not allowing crimeans to use Russian or teach it in the schools. I don't see how the Georgians did the same, since they don't control South Ossetia.

[A. Pole]

So what about Ossetians, do you support their self-determination?

I am curious, in the territorial conflict between Russia and Turkey over the territory of Armenia at the end of XIX century, would you rather have Russia to control the whole Armenia instead of north eastern half? Or would you rather have Turkey to prevail.

Another question, would you prefer if Russia controlled Prussia so the native Prussians would end up like Estonians or Finns? Or would you rather have Germans to control all Baltics and Swedes to control Finland?

[Lukasz]

Read how wide autonomy was offered to South Ossetia. They could only dream about similar status within Russia but their leadership rejected the plan. They simply care only about interests of Kremlin not their people.

GEORGIA PROMOTES SOUTH OSSETIA PEACE PLAN