Click it or ticket

townhall ^ | 5/24/06 | Walter WIlliams

[Bella_Bru]

So many people now drive with the bare minimum of insurance

Most people I know have bare minimum + uninsured, unless they have a newer car. Rates are so ridiculously high out here that only those with really nice cars want comprehensive.

[capt. norm]

It has long been my contention that people who go into police work are not the sort that think any laws are stupid, useless or downright evil

I know it's got to seem that way but they are required to enforce even the most ridiculous laws if they are going to honor their oath.

[RobRoy]

point taken, and I agree. It really is a "Suicide of Marlboro Man" sort of thing.

[Westlander]

Now we can move on to helmet laws for bikers and rile up some more people. Or as we refer to them at work, 'DonorCycles'. (organ donation)

[RobRoy]

>>If you take a stupid risk...then I will pay with taxes for your choice.<<

Gee, thanks. So you also get to tell me what I can and can't do.

I don't really like that arrangement.

[JoeSixPack1]

I also voted against it and saw the hypocrisy. I was completely dumbfounded when it passed.

And then I waited. 2 years following its passage, boom....tickets were flowing.

It did take about 15 years to go nationwide, but with our rat and pubbie brotherhood securely entrenched and owned by the insurance lobby, it was just a matter of time till the instruction manual for this law was passed around.

[capt. norm]

I'm with you on this J.S.P1.

We have some newbies aboard, who have only been with us about 8 months or so, and have missed a lot of this discussion on this forum in years passed.

[Live and let live conservative]

Each of us owns himself...

End of argument. People either agree with this statement or disagree with it, either decision has consequences.

Some argue about higher insurance rates while others argue about greater state control over the individual. As for me, I'll take the higher rates if it means individual liberty. So, who owns me, freepers? Am I owned by society or myself?

[Atlas Sneezed]

That is not always true - there have been cases of people injured by a body being rocketed through a windshield becasue they were not belted in. Just because the article ignores certain facts does not make them vanish.

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Such preposterously rare events do not legitimize police stopping people and taking their money for not wearing a seatbelt.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Fine Bubba, you win seat belts have no value, they are a hoax, they are nothing more than a tool put in cars to amplify the governments pocket book.

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I never uttered or implied such a moronic notion. It's all yours.

[JoeSixPack1]

"Old friends know where you've been, New friends know where you're going" -- Bob Segar. :-)

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

Very interesting phrase on the Marlboro Man.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Seat belts do help and that is a fact you cannot ignore and remain honest. Debating the enforcment of them is fair but all i see form you is opposition without solution. I see you present a differing position on ages between 5 to 17 but that is as in depth as you go. That to me makes it appear that you are afraid to say that you personally think it is a bogus law and that is a good enough reason for you to ignore it.

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You are getting loony. Who are you arguing with?

Reading my posts make it clear that I wear seatbelts, I support others wearing seatbelts, but I oppose cops pulling people other for choosing otherwise.

[Atlas Sneezed]

You're wrong - when you come flying through your windshield at 70 mph and crash into MY windshield you have just compromised MY safety through YOUR stupidity.

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How about some evidence to support this scenario that you use to justify stopping and fining otherwise law-abiding citizens who are otherwise harming no one?

If we let such silly imagined scenarios justify police intrusion, where do you think the government power zealots would take us?

[Atlas Sneezed]

Nothing in the post you whined about regarding your kids. Just a picture of sheep.

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

Its not what I WANT to do...it is how our society is at present.It is reality. If you don't like it, change those laws.

You take a risk and end up injured for life. We all pay taxes to take care of you...no individual insurance will cover that care for the rest of your life.

Now, if you want a brain damaged person who drove his cycle without a helmet to be out on the street..no benefits, no medical care...well, then you've got "freedom". Oh, and that is not socialism.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Bubba by 'some on this thread' I meant posters not posts.

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So, you are claiming that Elk made the outrageous claims elsewhere.

Considering what you dishonestly claim I advocate, I don't believe Elk said such a thing.

[Westlander]

True. Consider however the catastrophic fund bank the state has.

Vehicle Insurance Cost Increase — As the result of the Michigan Catastrophic Claims Fund running a deficit, the cost of automobile insurance attributable to these types of claims will increase 11.4% to $141.70 effective July 1, 2005. This Fund pays health insurance costs in excess of $350,000 and is currently paying out some $50 million monthly. This cost is built into the insurance rates companies charge for automobile insurance. The Claims Fund Association is a statutorily created private, non-profit entity.

http://www.mi-sera.org/lr/2005/0405.html

No tickets, accidents, claims, living in suburbia, 2 adult drivers, one 4 year old minivan, and I'm paying $1,400 a year for ins. and that is cheap here. So 10% of my rate goes to protecting other peoples 'right'. Don't make sense dude!

[capt. norm]

If we let such silly imagined scenarios justify police intrusion, where do you think the government power zealots would take us?

Exactly! This is what they are trying to pull of with global warming.

I just read another post from MSNBC where the current scare story is that global warming will help poison ivy grow to huge proportions.

Those exact same conditions that would cause that would also allow the world's food crops to grow likewise, but you will never hear that from them. They put their "liberal filter" on all the news and this is the result.

[Tolkien]

"Privilege" is a cute word, but it is meaningless unless you tell us the principles under which the privilege can and can not be revoked. Once you do that, you have a "right", subject to responsibilities. Just like speech and bearing arms.

Excellent. You said it better than I could.