Republicans May Kill Bush Immigration Plan

I would say it is a safe bet that you are not ready to welcome a Mexican family into your home this summer.

Bush's plan was nowhere NEAR what that goofy group in the Senate put out.

Bush's "plan" seemed to be keep the borders open, grant citizenship/amnesty to those already here and throw in a few other benefits. The senate just amplified what he wanted and added the usual perks granted minorities. Until Bush comes out strongly against the obnoxious elements of the current senate proposal it's his. Unfortunately some of the obnoxious elements of the senate bill are the Bush "plan."

Meanwhile, while DC is mired in inaction, the Minutemen are buliding a fence.

A win win situation. Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border, take the dirt and raise the levies in New Orleans and put the Florida alligators in the moat. Any other problems you would like for me to solve?

LOL...

Then send all lib Congressmen down to the "moat" for a nice beach vacation. We can save money by buying one-way tix.

“It would be a huge mistake to give people a path to citizenship that came here illegally,” he told the Washington Post. (Shays)

Bush doesn't think so. Neither does the Senate.

I certainly hope that miserable bill dies. Hopefully, it will die horribly.

Now if we started fining employers, large and small, $40,000 per illegal they hire, with jsil time for repeat offenders, and those 12-20 million had to go home or starve, then the GOP wouldn't have to worry about their future with "the fastest growing population in the US." It would be the fastest shrinking population, much to the sorrow of the Democrats, who have been registering illegals to vote Democrat in our border states for years. This would really cut into the Democrat vote and win many votes from citizens for the Republicans. Are GOP Senate members who voted for their monstrosity really so stupid that they can't see this?

This reversal is likely going to send shockwaves through the Beltway, and rattle even McCain's cage. But most likely he will just lash out in further vituperation. He just doesn't handle rejection by those pesky voters very well:

Shays, one of the few vulnerable House Republicans open to a broad compromise with the Senate, said strong protests from his constituents this month prompted him to come out for the first time against "citizenship for undocumented workers."
“It would be a huge mistake to give people a path to citizenship that came here illegally,” he told the Washington Post.
Surprisingly, Shays' constituents are Northeast liberals who have voiced their concerns over uncontrolled illegal immigration and the reality of porous, unprotected borders.

This is what they Senate has shown they care less about...and they have always banked on the East Coast backing them up. Drudge was surprised by the number of East Coast callers white hot on the issue too.

These issues: Rule of Law. Sovereignty of the People. National Security. A nation with a government, not a government with a nation.

Rather than despaire over our betrayal, I recommend that ALL CONSERVATIVES go forward positively. This poses a real opportunity. This is a time for very careful counterstrikes on the Democrats on this issue. This is their own wedge issue. It must be used. Instead of losing seats of Good Conservative Republicans...let's see if we can gain seats, and expel some Rats. Too bad we can't as easily clean house in the GOP. It requires a concerted effort at the Primary Leve. But that is the way to go, rather than Third Party. And pressure must be exerted upon the would-be INCOMING RINOS, such as Mark Kennedy, who has abdicated his former conservative principles on a number of issues to slavishly conform to the White House line.

After all, it is only making the party abide by its own self-professed principles. This is simply calling the RINOs on the carpet on those egregious departures from agreed principles in the Reagan Platform.

Now, More Than Ever!

Legal Mexican immigrants, si.

Illegal aliens, NO.

"The bill is packed chock full with socialist ideas, such as give the ILLEGALS social security benefits, amnesty, welfare benefits on and on and on, give, give, give, the great American giveaway!!!"

Yep.
I was listening to House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner Jr on TV yesterday, and one thing he said that just got me even more incensed:

The Senate Bill has those provisions whereby the Feds will have to right whatsoever to question any credentials submitted by these illegals when they turn up and claim that they have been here for over 5 years.

In fact this Senate Bill stipulates grievous punishment for any Federal official who even attempts to investigate the likely fake credentials that are submitted by those illegals who will apply for the "path to citizenship" rubbish.

My question is:
Exactly what were the Senate smoking?

"Bush's plan was nowhere NEAR what that goofy group in the Senate put out. "

Kool-Aid overdose alert.

Shays wouldn't be listening if he weren't up for reelection.

Bush has been pushing for amnesty all along, since way back when he and Daschele pushed for a "mini amnesty." And now he's sent Rove to push the House Members to agree to the Senate's amnesty bill.

There's no difference here -- For whatever their crazy reasons, both Bush and the Senate majority want amnesty and government handouts for illegal aliens.

Since when did "Amnesty" become known as "Immigration"? I'm still adapting to "is" having its definition completely restructured.

Republican members of House of Representatives continue to send their collective message to President George W. Bush and Senate liberals such as Sen. John McCain (R-AZ):

Finally! He gets labeled for what he is.

The heated rhetoric emanating from the GOP members of the House significantly dims the prospects that President Bush will win the immigration compromise he is seeking, according to the GOP establishment within the Beltway.

You mean the feeble threats from the betlway aren't working? Gee, they must be as disappointed as the (minority of) GOP syncophants on this board that have tried the same tactics to no avail.

The Republican opposition spreads across the geographical and ideological boundaries that often divide House Republicans, according to interviews with about half of the roughly 40 members whom political handicappers consider most vulnerable to defeat this November. Republicans -- from moderates such as Chris Shays in suburban Connecticut and Steve Chabot in Cincinnati to conservative J.D. Hayworth in Arizona -- continue to say they are adamant that Congress not take any action that might be perceived as rewarding illegal behavior.

Kind of sad Shays is, so far as it seems right now, more of an ally to conservatives (Americans) then the administration or Senators Frist and McConnell.

Surprisingly, Shays' constituents are Northeast liberals who have voiced their concerns over uncontrolled illegal immigration and the reality of porous, unprotected borders.

Yeah, sure, surprising. As if Liberals aren't fighting for those "jobs Americans won't do", and paying the hefty taxes to support those feeding like parasites off our welfare systems resulting in closing hospitals, poorer education, decreased property values... Between the poor LEGAL American and the middle class no one should be surprised we've united against the rich few that will not, at first, have their livelihoods directly threatened. Now, granted, there are other reasons to be in opposition. But these are the reasons uniting Liberals and "moderates" with conservatives. Issues of sovereignty...etc...probably reflect the concerns of the GOP base a little more then the Dems. I could be wrong about that, but doubt it based on their reaction to the WOT.

According to the Republican National Committee staff and political strategists, over 75 percent of the 231 Republican members are steadfastly opposed to the Senate bill or even a watered-down version of it. Add the Democrat congressmen who are also vulnerable this fall should they vote in favor of "amnesty," and it appears there is a good chance the Senate bill -- chock full of goodies for illegal aliens, as well as the Mexican government -- will die a death of a thousand cuts.

Or they could just gut it fast and furious. Actually I'm in favor of a thousand cuts so long as it doesn't lead to them caving for amnesty. I'd like this to be an election issue for 2006 and I've been working to make it so. The GOP establishment, of course, wanted it out of the way before the fall. We all know why.

While a few polls, which some believe are skewed, show bipartisan support for Bush's immigration giveaway, most GOP lawmakers said the House plan to secure the borders and enforce existing immigration laws is unquestionably the safer political stand in his or her district. House staffers have intimated that enforcement of existing laws coupled with tough, no-nonsense border security is the winning hand in the political game.

Shock! They admit they can be skewed! Guess Dowd isn't doing too good of a job at distorting reality in the beltway huh?

This is what I know. Shays has taken back his support for amnesty. The President got on TV and begged us to believe it isn't amnesty, and that he gave a damn about the borders. A rare speech by the President, on immigration, on a subject Rove conspiculously denied was a problem attributing the problem all being result of Iraq.

Letters/Calls/faxes/bricks/town meetings are being acknowledged by the politicians as overwhelmingly against amnesty. Vulnerable Senate Dems voted against amnesty. Folks like Santorum in tight races voted against amnesty in a majority. Only the truly out of touch running this year support it, such as DeWine who went against judges too and Chafee.

People were thrown out over this issue in a local race. A House congressman is being forced into a runoff over this issue, and that challenger just barely missed replacing him outright on the ticket. Osbourne lost his bid for Govenor on this issue in his Republican primary. Here in WA we actually, shockingly, got in the state platform to state they were against anchor babies.

Most people I talk to, here in WA btw, are furious and against this for a multitude of reasons. Drain on welfare services, soveriegnty issues, national security, humanitarian, depressed wages, refusal to assimiliate (those flags really ticked people of), you name it. I see the same on talk radio no matter the dial, all across the blogosphere even the squishes that advocate "Vote GOP no matter what" are either on defensive of acknowledging their views are not representative of the backlash against amnesty.

The forces on Capitol Hill and their mouthpeices like Barnes and Kristol run scared at the notion it's amnesty, and have fallen back on the threat "the President will be a lame duck and you'll lose your job", signaling they realize they have the losing argument and want to jam it through quickly to prevent further attention on them.

Every outside factors indicates Americans ARE NOT in favor of the admin/Senate amnesty approach..except a couple of dirtorted news polls. Gee, what do I believe hmm? The evidence or cherry picked statements given to soemone over a phone?

Most of these lawmakers reject the argument made by the White House and Senate Republicans such as John McCain that the best long-term political strategy is to craft a compromise that is appealing to many Latinos, the fastest-growing minority group in America. House Republicans view that argument as pandering to a potential voting-block which ultimately leads to big-spending programs and redistribution of wealth -- a hallmark of liberal-think.

Which is why the Liberal RINO's led by McCain want it so badly. To destroy the conservative movement, though they'll destroy themselves in process because this group will not lovingly embrace them.

House Republicans appear ready to forcefully debate the issue with their Senate counterparts. The shaky Senate coalition, led by McCain and Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA), that passed the so-called comprehensive legislation is held together by a common belief that it would be unwise and unworkable to deal with the borders only and not solve the problem of what to do with the 11 million illegal immigrants living here. The coalition will crumble if the House Republicans prevail, according to senators and aides.

Exactly how will it crumble? The only way it can crumble is if the amnesty boosters get frightened and join those interested in enforcing the border. In that event, I welcome the crumbling of these RINO's!

But House members fire back that if current enforcement of laws aimed at cracking down on employers of illegal aliens are strategically implemented, the jobs would disappear and so would many illegals.

In part. I mean, some will simply set up their own business stands and employ other illegals off the books (they do now) but they can be cracked down on as well.

Last week, the White House dispatched their wonderboy, Karl Rove, who is lobbying -- some say strong-arming -- House members to reconsider their positions and the hope is that more moderate Republicans will cave-in to Bush's wishes. At the same time, there are letters, e-mails and telephone calls flooding Washington, DC from Americans who wish to see the Senate's immigration bill blasted to smithereens, with pieces of the tattered bill littering the floor of the House of Representatives.

Okay folks. Start targeting Rove's staff with bricks, letters, faxes and calls. Why? To flood his office hindering their attempts to strongarm House members a bit. Make it difficult for them to perform their duties or venture other to the House's territory by forcing them to issue responses to us instead.

"the Senate majority want amnesty "

Republican majority in the Senate don't want amnesty.
They voted 32-23 AGAINST amnesty.
And Republicans in The House are strongly against amnesty.
And we are the majority party.
The Senate Immigration Bill is going to die.

I would also change Republicans to conservatives.

Great Post.

My prediction has always been there will be no bill, I stand by that prediction, all we are witnessing from both houses,especially the Senate, is massive electioneering posturing.

Good.

Republicans May Kill Bush Immigration Plan

I'm not going to hold my breath!