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1 posted on 05/25/2006 7:14:54 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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If you'd like to be on this Death of the West ping list, please FR mail me.

2 posted on 05/25/2006 7:16:22 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: MinorityRepublican
First of all: put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, Thomas Malthus.

Second of all: child tax credits agogo!

3 posted on 05/25/2006 7:17:59 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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Russia has a special problem due to the large number of deaths in men between 30 and 50. This is due to drinking, violence, and disease.

You won't see this in the other countries with population problems.


4 posted on 05/25/2006 7:21:34 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: MinorityRepublican
offset by immigration... and greater numbers of young mothers.

Yeah, that's how you keep a Western culture strong.

6 posted on 05/25/2006 7:29:36 PM PDT by AbeKrieger (A country without secure borders will not long be a country.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
TTD list for Friday May 26.....

1) Buy gatorade.
2) Take B12 supplement
3) Introduce self to young Russian, German, and Italian women

7 posted on 05/25/2006 7:32:50 PM PDT by edpc
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To: MinorityRepublican

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637296/posts

Didn't you just post basically the same thing 2 days ago?


14 posted on 05/25/2006 7:52:02 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: MinorityRepublican
Russia was the first country in the world to legalize abortion, and the 'fruits' of this mass slaughter are coming back to haunt them. Many cities in Japan and Italy are also paying women to get pregnant, in a desperate attempt to fill the population gap created by a woman's right to "choose". The same phenomenon is occuring right here in the U.S. as well; our government feels we need tens of millions of immigrants and unemployed drifters from Central and South America to fill the void left from the legalized infanticide.
17 posted on 05/25/2006 7:56:46 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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Well, large families were the norm when:
1. there was significant child mortality;
2. extended family was the only readily available social safety net;
3. there was strong [archaic] traditional culture, and/or contraception was not easily available.
Now, (1) and (3) are hopeless, at least as mass phenomena. Not much can be done there. But while it is not easy, attacking the point (2) - welfare state, root and branch - is a more promising line of approach.
23 posted on 05/25/2006 8:16:45 PM PDT by GSlob
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Could this Russia maintain a strong economy, national optimism or a capable military?

Gee, how did they do it back in the 1800s, when their population was 50% of what it will be in 2050?
How does Israel do it today, with a population just over 5M?
These people have their heads up their you-know-what.

My own view is that the planet is too crowded. Things would be a lot better if we had 3B people instead of 8B.
If you buy into the argument that we have to continuously grow, then eventually we'll all be living in misery. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with maintaining a stable population.


24 posted on 05/25/2006 8:22:08 PM PDT by rbg81
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How could I not look at a thread with a window/invite like this one?
 
Posted by TheCrusader to Battle Axe

27 posted on 05/25/2006 8:29:43 PM PDT by Radix (This guy doesn't need money. He is a rich Beverly Hills plastic surgeon.)
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The baby bonus will have to be substantial to make much of a difference. I don't think Russia can afford it. Subsidies for babies have not had much impact in Western Europe, but of course, with the high standard of living, and cost of raising a kid, subsidies there are rounding error.


31 posted on 05/25/2006 8:39:22 PM PDT by Torie
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This is an interesting part of the article:

"American fertility is roughly at the replacement rate, 2.1 children per woman. Nor does the U.S. rate merely reflect, as some think, a higher rate among Hispanic Americans. The fertility rate is 1.9 for non-Hispanic whites and about 2 for African Americans, reports demographer Nicholas Eberstadt of the American Enterprise Institute. What explains the American exception? Eberstadt cites three differences with Europe and most other advanced countries: greater optimism, greater patriotism and stronger religious values. There's some supporting evidence. A survey by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago asked respondents in 33 countries to react to this statement: "I would rather be a citizen of [my country] than of any other." Among Americans, 75 percent "strongly" agreed; among Germans, French and Spanish, comparable responses were 21 percent, 34 percent and 21 percent, respectively."

I think it is more about religious values myself (regarding which the US is a unique outlier for an advanced nation economically). The rest (including the patriotism thing) I suspect is fluff. So say this near atheist.

32 posted on 05/25/2006 8:44:59 PM PDT by Torie
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Howza come they won't cite the USA's TFR in the 1st 3 paragraphs (I'm not reading furthere if it's from the POST)

I told everyone countless times we need our Hispanic immigrant desperately for the survival of our country.

A tax base, future armies, industrious....all reasons why the government wants amnesty.

Get over ourselves and welcome them.

38 posted on 05/25/2006 8:52:08 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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According to hitlery; every woman has the right......???

Oh, never mind!!!
39 posted on 05/25/2006 8:55:57 PM PDT by danamco
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The collapse of births should not be a mystery.

1) Medical science has given women in particular the ability to turn their fertility almost entirely off and on at will.

2) Elite academic and media society find that control of fertility allows sexual activity to be disconnected from reproduction. This idea permeates entertainment to such an extent that younger generations consider sex as a form of recreation whereas conception is an undesirable risk that can be managed through womb-flushing medicines or procedures.

3) Society fails to praise motherhood, indeed going so far as to cast a mother who supports her child's activity as yet another mindless "soccer mom".

4) Mothers are able to reliably earn as much as fathers in the workplace (not a bad thing in itself). Many households have two full-time wage earners, which allows them to bid up the cost of more desirable housing, apart from the increased affluence they enjoy. In many cities, housing costs so much that a single average white collar wage no longer is sufficient for even a modest standard of living. This makes it doubly difficult for one of these families to permit the woman to cease work in order to devote time to raising children. Indeed, if there is any debt, it may simply be impossible for the woman to quit her job even briefly.

5) Widespread sexual activity means that many young women will have contracted a STD that will diminish fertility. One healthcare worker told me recently that one outbreak of chlamydia diminishes fertility by 25%.
40 posted on 05/25/2006 8:57:32 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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42 posted on 05/25/2006 9:30:52 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Vicomte13

Fyi.

This article seems to indicate there is a certain extent of American exceptionalism when it comes to fertility rates.

Cheers.


43 posted on 05/25/2006 9:36:03 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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