Ancient City Reveals Life In Desert 2,200 Years Ago (China - Caucasians)

China Daily ^ | 5-22-2006 | Xinhua

[blam]

"As for the reason behind the city's disappearance, Abdurensule explained that the Keriya River had retreated gradually due to the expansion of desert and the local environment had deteriorated due to the excessive felling of trees."

This is BS. The whole region was in a drought and the people were crowded around the glacier fed rivers. When the glaciers eventually completely melted (end of Ice Age) the rivers dried up and the people had to move. (Source: The Tarim Mummies, professor Victor Mair)

My guess is that these are the Tocharians. The Tocharian language is and extinct Indo-European language that is most closely related to the Ancient Celtic languages.

[blam]

GGG Ping.

More of these people.

The Curse Of The Red-Headed Muumy

[hole_n_one]

Did they find the remnants of a doggie theme park?..........

[PzLdr]

Temujin, Chingghis Quan was reputed to have reddish hair, and green eyes.

[Mogollon]

Verry interesting as Arty Johnson used to say. First we find that white folks were the original native americans, now we find that we were also the native chinese.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Salamander]

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[Drammach]

When the glaciers eventually completely melted (end of Ice Age) the rivers dried up and the people had to move.

I think you mis-read the dates involved here..
You've made it some 20,000 years older than it was..

The article states the city existed "more than 2,200 years ago" which would put it just before the time of Christ..

However, the evidence of "europeans" in the area as late as 2,200 years ago might indicate that such people were common in the area, and had been for a long time..

[chesley]

I've looked for a link to that factoid for a long time, ever since I first read about it in one of Leo Frankowski's science-fiction books a long time ago.

You wouldn't happen to have one, or a print reference, would you?

[blam]

"I think you mis-read the dates involved here.."
"You've made it some 20,000 years older than it was.."

I don't understand, I didn't do anything, lol.

Now, (I will) there is at least one archaeologist (N. Narain) who thinks all Europeans have their origins in this area and migrated to Europe from this region.
The graves were all Caucasian up until about 100-200BC and then they began to slowly change to mixed Mongoloid/Caucasian. There were still Caucasian only graveyards in the region all the way up to the 1300's AD.

The DNA studies of professor Dr Stephen Oppenheimer indicate that about 50% of today's Europeans can trace their ancestors to one man from the Indus Valley who made his way to Europe through the Middle East.
The other 50% of Europeans can trace their origins to a son of the same man who made his way to Europe through Russia a thousand years later.

[S0122017]

Just like King David.

[PzLdr]

I just checked my library, and couldn't find it, but I have read it. It might have been in a more generalized book about the peoples of Asia, as opposed to Chingghis Quan, himself.

What I did find were contemporary references [cited by the authors] to 'catlike eyes'. That tells me they're not brown, but are probably anywhere from green to hazel. Hope that helps.

[DavemeisterP]

I think the real question here is where the Asians and the native Americans came from. Since we white folks aren't the main race there now, doesn't that also mean that we got our butts kicked by them once? Manifest destiny started before 'we' coined the phrase it seems.

[Drammach]

The DNA studies of professor Dr Stephen Oppenheimer indicate that about 50% of today's Europeans can trace their ancestors to one man from the Indus Valley who made his way to Europe through the Middle East.

Re: Indus Valley man, any date reference on that?
Just guessing, I would say before the last Ice Age..
That would be more than likely the 1st major expansion of mankind to the European mainland and north..

The other 50% of Europeans can trace their origins to a son of the same man who made his way to Europe through Russia a thousand years later.

Here, I look to the isolated pocket of Ice Age survivors in the Caucasus Mountains..
The area was effectively isolated for a long enough period for marked genetic change.. ( inbreeding? ) of a fairly isolated group of humans..
Red or blond hair, blue or green eyes, all recessives..

At the end of the Ice age, I expect one will find that this group spread out both east and west, possibly taking advantage of skills learned while in isolation..
The most important of those skills may have been the idea of domesticating horses.. ( I'm suggesting it started there, not that it was perfected.. )

I think that it will be found that the period of expansion from the end of the Ice Age will accurately correspond with the earliest settlements by "caucasians" in the area now known as China..
I am also very interested in your idea of a second advanced group moving north from the submerged remains of Indonesia.. ( Sundaland? ) I would guess that both expansions would have coincided at approximately the same period in history..

It is only (relatively) recently that the beginnings of civilization, nation-hood, group identity and territorialism have been introduced, along with somewhat outrageous claims of some groups that they have "always" inhabited a certain region..
I'm sure the Chinese are not the only ones that have many surprises coming concerning their past..

[SunkenCiv]

Marco Polo In Reverse
US&WR | 2-23-2004 | Ulrich Boser
Posted on 02/26/2004 3:06:55 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1086076/posts

[Cementjungle]

In one of the tombs, the bodies of two males, sporting pigtails and wigs, were found facing each other. In two others, a man and a woman were found in each.

A little boost for the gay crowd.

[Prost1]

What distinguishes the Caucasoid from the Chinese?

I have seen many Chinese who are whiter and more "caucasoid" than whites. The only thing "oriental" is the less than "round eyes" which I think is inherited from the Mongols.

[blam]

Take this Journey Of Mankind developed by Stepehen Oppenheimer from DNA studies, it'll probably answer most of your questions.

BTW, the 'Sundaland' ideas come from Oppenheimer too.

[blam]

"It might have been in a more generalized book about the peoples of Asia, as opposed to Chingghis Quan, himself."

There are Chinese poems lamenting the green eyes of the Han emperors and they are also reported to have had 'magic men' with red hair.

[blam]

"I think the real question here is where the Asians and the native Americans came from."

The oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10k years old. (Oppenheimer). This may explain why the oldest skeleton found in the Americas are of a non-Mongoloid variety. (Kennewick Man - Spirit Cave Man, etc)