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More smoker's tax dollars at work. Providing a paycheck for THESE idiots! Maine sure can't spend smokers money fast enough, can they!


1 posted on 05/21/2006 7:42:23 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; CSM; ...
Bergman is a lawyer who has worked to define the rights of landlords and tenants, which includes a landlord's right to make a facility smoke-free.

Sure, landlords can do with their own property what they want, so how come private business owners of bars, taverns and restaurants in Maine couldn't do the same thing?

This state talks out of both sides of their mouths!

2 posted on 05/21/2006 7:42:57 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
"The coalition's conference, attended by nearly 50 people..."

Quite a coalition.

4 posted on 05/21/2006 7:52:10 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: SheLion

I am wondering about the barf alert here.

Wasn't your position on this that property owners had the right to set smoking rules the last time there was a controversy? You wanted individual bar & restaurant owners to say "smoking" or "no smoking" so as to provide a choice. Knowing full well that all would say "smoking".

Well, here we have it in housing. The landlord has the right to say yes or no to smoking. What is wrong with that concept?

Or is it that you feel smokers have rights, but those offended by smoke have no rights?


6 posted on 05/21/2006 8:38:25 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: SheLion

Gather around and I'll tell you a tale. About a town which was receiving more trade and taxes from smokers than it knew. After running them out of the bars, they went elsewhere, and a bunch of bars closed.

"Good riddance," said the citizens,"We don't want bars here anyway."

The cigarette and sales taxes from the bars and the smokers disappeared. But, as we all know, the politicians kept spending like they had before the Temperance forces hit the town. Now the town ran a big defecit so the politicians had to raise taxes: sales taxes, income taxes and property taxes.

Now the citizens are picketing the politicians. People who never smoked in their lives are leaving the town because its property values are dropping due to its high taxes. Jobs are disappearing. Businesses are closing. In the face of rapidly falling collections the politicians have no choice except to raise taxes on the remaining businesses and property owners.

The town: Mesa, Arizona

Beware the law of unintended consequences.

Maine is none too rich, and it collects a bucket of money from smokers.


10 posted on 05/21/2006 11:36:28 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Join me! Every night I pray for Global Warming . (And I think it's beginning to work.))
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To: SheLion
I have tenants in two apartments across town. Both smoke.

One is moving out at the end of the month after 3 1/2 years (bought himself a house), so I'll have the chance to check it out.

I figure after 3 1/2 years, I'll probably have to do some basic repairs, but mostly some paint and a lot of soap and water. Average costs to us when a tenant leaves is around $150.

I'll bet the farm it doesn't cost an extra $600.

11 posted on 05/22/2006 1:50:23 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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"The cost is far more to repair units after smokers move out, even when compared to pet owners," Schors of East Machias said. "You could spend up to $4,000 in carpet replacement just because of cigarette burn holes.

"One of the reasons we're here today is to see how we can transition to smoke-free housing."

Just make it so. But, be aware that you may lose some people's business. It's the trade-off that is a judgement call.

Similarly, when restaurants and bars are allowed to choose, and some choose to be smoke-free, everyone wins. The smokers have the ability to find a place where they can be comfortable, and the non-smokers can also do likewise. When it is forced on everyone, a lot of businesses lose.

These gents need to understand that their decisions will have consequences, which may be positive or negative in effect. They need to make their own bed, and then lay in it.

37 posted on 05/22/2006 7:05:34 AM PDT by MortMan (Trains stop at train stations. On my desk is a workstation...)
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To: SheLion
This article raises more questions in my mind than it answers. For instance, the Housing Authorities quoted--are they public, subsidized housing authorities? And the acquiescence by the renters, has this been established, I mean do they go into the homes and sniff out the lawbreakers?
51 posted on 05/22/2006 9:10:06 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: SheLion
Just found out we hit 27% smoking rate in Indiana! It's way up in the past couple of years. On top of that, over 50% of us here don't even do light excercise even once a week!

Move away from those health nazis in Maine. If it weren't for Stephen King, I'd say wall it off and give it to Canada.
61 posted on 05/22/2006 1:20:15 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: SheLion

Kewl, smokers will then just smoke on the back porch and let the smoke trail up to everyone else's apartments.


76 posted on 05/22/2006 4:05:49 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

FYI ping


78 posted on 05/22/2006 5:33:32 PM PDT by NYTexan
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