Posted on 05/21/2006 12:19:24 PM PDT by quidnunc
""Now, in Southern California alone, "white non-hispanics" will be a small minority in a generation. That is already a fact.
It is not "immigration" when 25-40% of a populous country leave that country and colonize another. It is, in fact, invasion.
And it is not immigration when hundreds of thousands of those people march in the streets of America under the flag of a foreign and hostile nation, while claiming the land and political power of America for themselves. That is sedition, treason, and an open declaration of war against the United States.""
BINGO!!
Because we only have one credible party capable of national governance right now, all substantive debate takes place within that party.
I'm not drifting at all, nor caught between anger and indecision. The GOP is.
And, as of now, there is no "liberal Buckley" preparing our undoing.
We may be divided between the "desperate" conservatives who think we should grab as much as possible before the tide turns, and the "method" conservatives who think we can conserve the momentum.
Chambers answer, which Mr. Buckley called "a paragraph unmatched in the literature of supine gloom, even though finally resisting despair" was thus...
It is idle [he rebuked me] to talk about preventing the wreck of Western Civilization. It is already a wreck from within. That is why we can hope to do little more now than snatch a fingernail of a saint from the rack or a handful of ashes from the faggots, and bury them secretly in a flowerpot against the day, ages hence, when a few men begin again to dare to believe that there was once something else, that something else is thinkable, and needs some evidence of what it was, and the fortifying knowledge that there were those who, at the great nightfall, took loving thought to preserve the tokens of hope and truth,
I am beginning to share his sentiments in this regard.
I think you make the point with the quotations....
Exactly. Where the GOP went wrong was in trying to out-happy the Democratic party. It can't be done without losing your sense of self-identity.
from the May 19, 2006 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0519/p09s02-cods.html
Bush may be losing his base
Conservatives are openly dissenting from policies of Republican leadership.
By Daniel Schorr
WASHINGTON - The term "base" is not in William Safire's political dictionary, but he tells me it will be included in the next edition. "Base" refers to that solid core of political supporters who will stick with you through electoral thick and thin as long as you are perceived as advancing their principles. Most often, the term is applied to religious conservatives.
Something seems to have gone off the rails between President Bush and his base, judging by a recent Gallup poll that shows his support among conservatives down from a long-standing 80 percent to a current 50 percent.
Religious conservatives have found the administration and Congress falling short on issues such as same-sex marriage, obscenity, and abortion. They have expressed disappointment that the president has not been more active in seeking a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.
The issue of the week is immigration. In what he called a compromise proposal in his television speech on Monday night, the president sought to allay the criticism of conservatives by proposing to deploy 6,000 National Guard troops along the Mexican border.
There may be less there than meets the eye. The Guard troops will be mainly in support roles. The arrangement may not last more than a year. And the president, who also has a business base, felt compelled to propose a "guest-worker" (not amnesty, repeat, not amnesty) program.
At the same time, the administration was trying to shift attention to consensus Republican issues such as tax cuts and judicial nominations. But, the dissension within Republican ranks was evident. The $105 billion war-spending bill, passed by the Senate, was called "dead on arrival" by House speaker Dennis Hastert. When Senate majority leader Bill Frist called Gen. Michael Hayden the "ideal man" for CIA Director, Speaker Hastert announced his opposition to having a military man in the job.
Influential conservatives have begun speaking openly of their reservations about the Republican leadership. Dr. James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, has said that he might turn critic of the administration unless it does more to deliver on conservative goals.
At this point, the thunder from the right may be in the nature of admonition. But I can recall a time when evangelicals shunned the ballot box. If that were to happen again, it would change the face of American politics.
It would be interesting to see how quickly a true intellectual conservative like Medved could destroy your arguments in a debate.
This guy became a celebrity during the Clinton years, but I always suspected he was really wink wink winking at them.
"even if that means breaking up families," No families will be broken up. No one will be forced to stay. If they choose to abandon family members, It's their call.
" disrupting the economy" It can be done at a pace where illegals can be smoothly replaced by legal and law abiding immigrants or citizens.
"denying mothers medical care and their children an equal right to a college education." Absolutely. No medical care except in a life threatening emergency and then only enough to stabilize to the point where the illegal can be safely returned to point of origin. there is no right to a college education for American citizens. How can anyone even suggest such a right exists for the spawns of illegals?
This guy has ingested way too much Flavor Aid. Even Bush hasn't actually claimed that. Close, but not that far over the edge of lucidity.
Maybe he didn't think this word out much.. as many/most "conservatives" don't..
"Conservative" decribes what RINOs are all about.. "more of the same"..
After falling/driving a party into a ditch it takes radical action/thought to get you out..
Democracts are conservative in that sense.. as are RINOs..
More of the same or even much more of the same..
A republican SHOULD BE a radical.. as many were in 1992/4..
Spouting a "VISION" to get out of the ditch..
ie. "Givernment is not "A" problem, IT IS (THE) PROBLEM.."
LOL!! You were listening to a different debate on Friday, apparently.
In any event, you're under the impression only one side has any truth in the issue of immigration. You debate as an ideologue, and ideologues are eventually ignored.
Did it ever occur to you, that if such folks can't secure a job, and make a living, that most of them might leave?
We have a guest worker program right now.
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