Posted on 05/19/2006 10:01:17 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
Yes, and I have posted numerous times that the first change in direction will be to synthesize gasoline from coal. Germany did during World War II and South Africa is doing it today.
I think you and I might have exchanged posts on this before. My point was that I believe hydrogen is a boondoggle - a waste of time and resources. The only way it could work would be tank exchange, which would require an entire new infrastructure.
The one technology breakthrough that would reduce our consumption would be to find a way to put our trains, trucks, and cars on the electric grid, at least on major routes. That would require changing to electric-drive hybrid vehicles, electrification on major routes, and some kind of trolley system for vehicles, along with a metering system to pay for usage.
Your vehicle could charge its batteries from the grid, or from its on-board generator when needed, when you were traveling away from the grid.
Hydrogen most certainly isn't for cars. But as an energy transfer system could it be more efficient than electricity? A fuel cell in every house? A heating plant that exhausts water vapor and nothing else? A distribution system that for the most part exists as natural gas lines that don't lose the huge percentage in transmission that electricity does? An energy transfer system that can have the production located near the energy source i.e., hydroelectric, solar or atomic? An energy transfer system that can be stored as opposed to electricity that must have expensive peak demand capacity?
Drawbacks? The initial energy transfer if you start with water can't be very good since half the energy goes into free oxygen. If you start with natural gas - well what would be the point?
You can't scream that loud enough to suit me. Hydrogen as a fuel is insane. There is so little energy available, and it takes as much or more energy to isolate the hydrogen in the first place, that makes hydrogen a net waster of energy.
The purpose of all this is to separate people from their personal mobility and freedom. Immobilized people are easier to control.
Maybe you were right, just a bit early...
Right on TT,. hydrogen is the world's most invasive acid in a combustion cycle. It destroys all metals.
That's my take on it as well.
Just what is the engine octane rating (as opposed to the "research" value) of hydrogen? I was under the impression that it only had a value of 60.
There you go AGAIN!!! Waxing profound and going oh so deep!!!
But all kidding aside, you speak the truth! And soon we'll all be in dire straights if we don't find ways to secure our freedom through mobility... quickly, even if we must re-learn hiking and walking which is way more primitive than I would enjoy!!!
Only the EnvironMentalist/Pagan dirt worshipping Luddite creeple people want us back on our feet, grinding our nuts on the rocks like a bunch of ignorant savages!!!
BTTT
"Somebody needs to do something now."
'Somebody' needed to do something decades ago. *Rolleyes* Why energy independence is so HARD for our Government/Legislators to figure out is beyond me! It's not like there aren't a hundred great ideas posted here every d@mn day! Rush uses us as Show Prep...why don't our CongressCritters use us in the same manner? ;)
But I thought the new "craze" was Ethonol? From what I've read, we're going to tear up all of The Heartland and plant corn and soybeans and sawgrass and sugar beets to fuel our cars. ;)
"Immobilized people are easier to control."
Exactly. The Socialists want to shove us all back into little boxes in The City, packed in like rats.
Years ago, there used to be something called a "carbide engine", which was fueled by dropping pieces of Calcium Carbide in water, and collecting the fumes that came up from the surface of the water, then using these fumes to fuel an internal-combustion engine.
I guess the reaction was the formation of acetylene gas from the carbide as it combined with water, and the other byproduct was Calcium Hydroxide. The acetylene mixed with the oxygen in air within a collection chanber, no attempt to use any kind of carburetor, the mixture was just sucked into the intake manifold.
Calcium Carbide was some kind of byproduct in the reduction of iron ore in the presence of coke and limestone.
"Now let's hope we don't get $20 a barrel oilor lower that will
effectively kill it."
Drill California, on and off shore and execute it immediatly!!!!
It doesn't deserve a slow death.
Crisis in a nutshell. Edison had no EPA. His inventions were at first crude and inefficient. His first light bulb was very inefficient. Gradually it was perfected.... wthout an EPA. True of most inventors.
Some think government is the solution. Some think government is the problem. - RR
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How about a vehicle with a toilet in place of the driver's seat? Runs on your own crap.
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