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1 posted on 05/19/2006 6:56:05 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies
Well, if this is a secret bluleprint by the CFR toward world gummint, they're pretty stupid to offer the plan for sale: http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=8102
30 posted on 05/19/2006 7:16:16 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Dark Skies
I suppose it's time for a herd of man-eating robots to descend upon Corsi now, formerly a FR hero of SwiftVets fame.

Incoming!
35 posted on 05/19/2006 7:20:57 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Dark Skies
Why doesn’t President Bush just tell the truth? His secret agenda is to dissolve the United States of America into the North American Union

They didn't tell the truth to the British people either, when they were roped into the EU. The leadership ignored the British people, just as our leaders are ignoring us now. The technique is to ignore the people as they get the US so enmeshed and weakened by their globalist policies that only a desperately painful cataclysm can get us out. And their hope is that the American people no longer have the fortitude to endure what it will take to set our country back to rights.
36 posted on 05/19/2006 7:21:58 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Dark Skies

Corsi went over the deep end a long time ago.

He certainly does not have access to the President's "secret plans."

The man is nuts.


39 posted on 05/19/2006 7:22:31 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Dark Skies
That sounds bizarre as hell, but on the other hand the bizarre is becoming more and more to represent the norm in this twisted world of ours.

I'm witholding judgment on this until Rush has a chance to analyze it and give us a report.
41 posted on 05/19/2006 7:24:55 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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56 posted on 05/19/2006 7:39:14 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: Dark Skies

Oh, not! Not the Coucil on Foreign Relations! Why they're a front for the Freemasons, and the CIA, and the Queen of England. /LaRouch paranoid mode.


59 posted on 05/19/2006 7:42:16 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: upchuck; Justanobody; B4Ranch; Nowhere Man; Coleus; neutrino; endthematrix; investigateworld; ...

Hello everybody.


61 posted on 05/19/2006 7:43:42 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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I'm coo-coo for coca-coca puffs


72 posted on 05/19/2006 7:59:32 AM PDT by jbwbubba
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To: Dark Skies
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. However, this is hardly a secret 24esque cabal, with someone named "Graham" providing instructions to the President on a cell phone. It is a conspiracy hidden in plain sight.

(1) The actions and words of the Bush Administration on immigration are politically inexplicable. Why is he burning his base? Driving down his poll numbers? Why make Democrat voters out of illegals? Why cavort with Democrats like Kennedy? It hasn't made sense.

(2) Conspiracies don't usually write down their perfidous plots. But geez, that CFR report is downloadable and breathtaking. Please read it before making the tinfoil cracks.

(3) Peggy Noonan knows something about these people. She specultated in yesterday's Opinion Journal:

The other possibility is that the administration's slow and ambivalent action is the result of being lost in some geopolitical-globalist abstract-athon that has left them puffed with the rightness of their superior knowledge, sure in their membership in a higher brotherhood, and looking down on the low concerns of normal Americans living in America.

A geopolitical-globalist abstract-athon, that is the CFR is there ever was one. Superior knowledge? Higher brotherhood? All squares perfectly with a hidden CFR agenda.

(4) Occam's Razor agrees. Bush having a hidden CFR agenda explains everything that Bush has said and done on immigration. If you don't believe the hidden CFR agenda theory, you must make multiple separate explanations for all the inexplicable actions.

75 posted on 05/19/2006 8:02:52 AM PDT by Plutarch (Trading amnesty for border security will yield neither an end to amnesties nor border security.)
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To: Dark Skies
There is no secret about it, Bush and Fox have been open in their desires, they just don't get into the messy details of what the implementations of their agenda are.

Bush, "I would like to see a Free Trade Zone from the north of Canada to the tip of Cape Horn.". No messy details, just the declaration of the globalist agenda.

V. Fox at the summit in Monterey Mexico, "Mexico, Canada, and the United States, will unite under one Trade Umbrella, with American wages dropping to meet Mexico's rising wages, with the rest of S. America joining at a later date." No messy details just the declaration of the globalist agenda.

What is a Free Trade Zone? An agreement between nations to open their borders to the free movement of goods, with disputes being settled by an appointed board of directors who over see the treaties which trump each nations Constitutions and laws.

So far this board seems to be made up of "Stick it to the USofA" types. In regards to the suit filed against us by Canada over fuel additives, and the suit filed against us by Mexico over open borders trucking. And the coming suit to be filed by Mexico over our National Guard being on the border.

All this and the full impact of these treaties that we have entered into are yet to be in full swing. Like I have posted before in Free Trade there will be winners and losers, sore losers who will entangle us in unending law suits until everything in our nation that even smacks of sovereign nationhood is wiped out.

Not to mention the likelihood of millions of people entering the country with goods ever leaving to go home to their native countries again.

The worse impact will be to the human rights of the individual American, your Constitution will not help you when international laws and treaties ignore any type of habeas corpus, and trump the Constitution and Bill of Rights in all regards, you can be held in prison for years before a charge is ever filed against you. Here is a quote from the FTAA treaty site and discussion of it's implementation. One woman said, "Judges should be given the power to hand down harsher sentences for xenophobes that hold onto the old ideal of nationhood". Globalists openly declare the nation state to be dead, and are working over time to kill it. Anyone who rejects that globalists exist and that this is their agenda needs to tin foil their behinds because that is where the globalist boot will land eventually.
80 posted on 05/19/2006 8:11:26 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Dark Skies

This would explain Bush's policy regarding immigration. Otherwise, there is no explanation.


82 posted on 05/19/2006 8:14:40 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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Read it and weep...
CFR's Plan to Integrate the U.S., Mexico and Canada

by Phyllis Schlafly

July 13, 2005

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has just let the cat out of the bag about what's really behind our trade agreements and security partnerships with the other North American countries. A 59-page CFR document spells out a five-year plan for the "establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community" with a common "outer security perimeter."

"Community" means integrating the United States with the corruption, socialism, poverty and population of Mexico and Canada. "Common perimeter" means wide-open U.S. borders between the U.S., Mexico and Canada.

"Community" is sometimes called "space" but the CFR goal is clear: "a common economic space ... for all people in the region, a space in which trade, capital, and people flow freely." The CFR's "integrated" strategy calls for "a more open border for the movement of goods and people."

The CFR document lays "the groundwork for the freer flow of people within North America." The "common security perimeter" will require us to "harmonize visa and asylum regulations" with Mexico and Canada, "harmonize entry screening," and "fully share data about the exit and entry of foreign nationals."

This CFR document, called "Building a North American Community," asserts that George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin "committed their governments" to this goal when they met at Bush's ranch and at Waco, Texas on March 23, 2005. The three adopted the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" and assigned "working groups" to fill in the details.

It was at this same meeting, grandly called the North American summit, that President Bush pinned the epithet "vigilantes" on the volunteers guarding our border in Arizona.

A follow-up meeting was held in Ottawa on June 27, where the U.S. representative, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, told a news conference that "we want to facilitate the flow of traffic across our borders." The White House issued a statement that the Ottawa report "represents an important first step in achieving the goals of the Security and Prosperity Partnership."

The CFR document calls for creating a "North American preference" so that employers can recruit low-paid workers from anywhere in North America. No longer will illegal aliens have to be smuggled across the border; employers can openly recruit foreigners willing to work for a fraction of U.S. wages.

Just to make sure that bringing cheap labor from Mexico is an essential part of the plan, the CFR document calls for "a seamless North American market" and for "the extension of full labor mobility to Mexico."

The document's frequent references to "security" are just a cover for the real objectives. The document's "security cooperation" includes the registration of ballistics and explosives, while Canada specifically refused to cooperate with our Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI).

To no one's surprise, the CFR plan calls for massive U.S. foreign aid to the other countries. The burden on the U.S. taxpayers will include so-called "multilateral development" from the World Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank, "long-term loans in pesos," and a North American Investment Fund to send U.S. private capital to Mexico.

The experience of the European Union and the World Trade Organization makes it clear that a common market requires a court system, so the CFR document calls for "a permanent tribunal for North American dispute resolution." Get ready for decisions from non-American judges who make up their rules ad hoc and probably hate the United States anyway.

The CFR document calls for allowing Mexican trucks "unlimited access" to the United States, including the hauling of local loads between U.S. cities. The CFR document calls for adopting a "tested once" principle for pharmaceuticals, by which a product tested in Mexico will automatically be considered to have met U.S. standards.

The CFR document demands that we implement "the Social Security Totalization Agreement negotiated between the United States and Mexico." That's code language for putting illegal aliens into the U.S. Social Security system, which is bound to bankrupt the system.

Here's another handout included in the plan. U.S. taxpayers are supposed to create a major fund to finance 60,000 Mexican students to study in U.S. colleges.

To ensure that the U.S. government carries out this plan so that it is "achievable" within five years, the CFR calls for supervision by a North American Advisory Council of "eminent persons from outside government . . . along the lines of the Bilderberg" conferences.

The best known Americans who participated in the CFR Task Force that wrote this document are former Massachusetts Governor William Weld and Bill Clinton's immigration chief Doris Meissner. Another participant, American University Professor Robert Pastor, presented the CFR plan at a friendly hearing of Senator Richard Lugar's Foreign Relations Committee on June 9.

Ask your Senators and Representatives which side they are on: the CFR's integrated North American Community or U.S. sovereignty guarded by our own borders.


86 posted on 05/19/2006 8:21:11 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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"Secretly, the Bush administration is pursuing a policy to expand NAFTA to include Canada,..."

Ah, NAFTA already includes Canada.

94 posted on 05/19/2006 8:30:56 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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Globalist PING!


96 posted on 05/19/2006 8:32:19 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (.)
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To: Dark Skies
This article is a real disappointment from Human Events - this is beyond silly and into the realm of deliberate falsehood designed to undermine the government of the United States.

This isn't any better coming from conservatives than from liberals.

I've read the CFR report they reference - its about how to strengthen the U.S border and how to work with Mexico and Canada to strengthen their borders to stop terrorists and smugglers from coming into those countries. - It does use the word "community" which scares some people - to describe cooperation.

If anything the CFR is too tough on border security because they want all Mexican, Canadian and U.S. citizens to carry biometric IDs and not be able to freely cross Mexico/U.S and Canada/U.S borders without those I.D.s - this would place additional restrictions on Americans

This article is simply false and harmful.
97 posted on 05/19/2006 8:34:17 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: Dark Skies
This nut takes a report from an ultra liberal organization. Points at some vague statements by Bush about working with Canada and Mexico on common issues, and then concludes that Bush is following this report.

I read through the report. It starts out by making many reasonable points, and even a number of good suggestions as long as done within the scope of a sovereign United States working with neighboring countries.

By the end of the report it becomes much more clear that this group does want to undermine the sovereignty of the US.

However, it's not going to be hard to find a few things in such a report that coincide with our administration's policies. That does not mean that the administration ascribes to the group's goals, nor is there any real evidence that the administration does other than it's horrible disregard for enforcing border security and immigration law.

In many ways the report appears to take a harsher stance on those issues, at least for now, and it recognizes that Mexico is not being a cooperative partner.

Even the report recognizes the need for Mexico to fix it's economy before it's desired goal of open legal migration within North America.

It just adds to the amusement value that this idiot seems to think Canada isn't part of NAFTA.

98 posted on 05/19/2006 8:35:40 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Dark Skies
Shit
105 posted on 05/19/2006 8:41:58 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: Dark Skies

I beleive this to be true. We are using the cheap mexican labor to compete with the cheap chinese labor overseas.


106 posted on 05/19/2006 8:43:47 AM PDT by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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This is common knowledge, ever since NAFTA was passed by a lame duck session of Congress. Our ruling elite wish to create a North American ecomonic zone to compete with EU and China. The USA and it Constitution are toast as far as the ruling elite are concerned. Our new fonding fathers are the Bush family, Clinton family and coporate lawyers. The new law of the land is NAFTA.


112 posted on 05/19/2006 8:47:40 AM PDT by jpsb
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