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North American Union to Replace USA? ("is this the plan?" alert!)
HumanEventsOnline.com ^ | 5/19/2006 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 05/19/2006 6:56:03 AM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: mjolnir
You're deriding Hong Kong's economy as a "shopping mall"

Not at all. I am merely pointing out your logical fallacy of concluding a shopping mall economy is a model for a national economy.
701 posted on 05/22/2006 12:45:13 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Let us see how "This?" works when Mexico elects a communist president and 108 million people country in North America becomes a communist state.

You wait and see how many illegals cross the border when this happens.

702 posted on 05/22/2006 1:07:32 PM PDT by tryon1ja
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To: tryon1ja
You wait and see how many illegals cross the border when this happens.

Could the "integrationists" really be hoping for this? They can't be completely blind to what is happening in South America, and in the current mexican presidential election.

But then the freetards pushing integration don't oppose communism, look how chummy they are with the dictator Hu Jintao and his Chinese communist party. Look how they have made communism more entrenched by enriching and empowering the dictators and party members in any number of communist countries with "free trade".
703 posted on 05/22/2006 1:37:58 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Free trade has made communism more entrenched in China? Surely you don't believe that. China's growing middle class may be our best hope of changing that government. Certainly trade sctions have not made Castro less communist.


704 posted on 05/22/2006 3:04:46 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: mjolnir

There is no good thing about the road toward destruction in which America is headed.


705 posted on 05/22/2006 3:07:25 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: William Terrell
"Except that the "task force" paper describes what is happening now, observable physical actions, and the point of the actions."

List some.

"The document tells the story of merging Canada, the US and Mexico, with one common parameter border, which of course is exactly what is happening."

In what way.

"The evidence that Bush is working from the plan is that this process started before the Bush administration."

If you can support your previous two statements this one might make a little more sense.

706 posted on 05/22/2006 3:16:54 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Rokke, Ervin J. (Lt. Gen., USAF) – former president of National Defense University (1994-1997) "

That would be me except I'm a major in the National Guard and work for Fedex. But he sounds like a smart guy. I suppose he's another CFR member plotting to end American sovereignty.

707 posted on 05/22/2006 3:18:57 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Yes"

Great. I'm glad you've read the whole document. Then you must realize why several of your questions make no sense (like...."How can a US based nongovernmental organization claim for a goal of a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America? Surely that is out of their realm of influence as US citizens".)

708 posted on 05/22/2006 3:23:22 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: mjolnir

BTW, you have yet to address the fact that attacking America's sovereignty, as well as Canada's, is part and parcel of NAFTA's goals.


709 posted on 05/22/2006 3:23:26 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: Rokke

A relation of yours?


710 posted on 05/22/2006 3:26:03 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Rokke

Ok now, have you read the document?


711 posted on 05/22/2006 3:31:29 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Tell us about Mr. Pastor and his book Integration With Mexico: Options for U.S. Policy , and how he got the go ahead from the Clinton administration to pursue this."

I don't know him and never read his book. Perhaps you can explain what concerns you about his book.

712 posted on 05/22/2006 3:33:02 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: nicmarlo

FYI... Pukin will win this war.

He's got more power than the rest.

Avoid him - if you want to stay a FReeper.


713 posted on 05/22/2006 3:43:25 PM PDT by dougmilner
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To: antisocial
"I have accepted no lies."

Yet you offer nothing to back up your claims that the goal of the CFR is "to weaken national sovereignty and push towards the establishment of a North American superstate." Instead, you say "I came away with the distinct impression that what they stand for is exactly what I stated before." Give some specifics of what gave you that impression? You have already questioned why a very broad cross section of some of the most accomplished experts on United States foreign affairs would retain their membership in such an organization. You simply haven't offered any evidence to support the CFR is what you say it is, and among the best evidence to say it isn't is that it retains the members it does.

714 posted on 05/22/2006 3:43:47 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: hedgetrimmer
"A relation of yours?"

Yes. And just one more reason why I know what I'm talking about when I describe the motives and loyalties of many of the members of the CFR. I've worked for or have known several of them. Every single one of them men who have dedicated (and in many cases risked) their lives to preserving American sovereignty.

715 posted on 05/22/2006 3:47:29 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke

Why don't you show us where the CFR upholds the sovereignty of the United States and the authority of the US citizen to direct their government and government policy as opposed to an NGO like the CFR and their "task forces"?


716 posted on 05/22/2006 3:49:08 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Ok now, have you read the document?"

I have never given any indication that suggests I haven't. Instead, I have given you direct quotes from the document referenced with page numbers. And instead of asking questions about the document whose answers are clearly found within its first pages, I have been forced to copy and paste the answers for you after you asked questions that revealed either zero reading comprehension ability, or the fact that you hadn't read the document in the first place.

If you have really read the whole document now, I expect you won't be asking many of the same questions you asked earlier in this thread, because you already know the answers.

717 posted on 05/22/2006 3:53:09 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke

Why didn't you say so when I asked you if you had any affiliations with the CFR?


718 posted on 05/22/2006 3:53:30 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Why don't you show us where the CFR upholds the sovereignty of the United States and the authority of the US citizen to direct their government and government policy as opposed to an NGO like the CFR and their "task forces"?"

It is an organization whose members are free to quit whenever they want. It is an organization who allows its members to practice the great American right of freedom of speech. Since you read the document we used to be talking about, you must have noticed that after 33 pages of analysis and recommendations, there were 7 pages of dissent and additions provided by individual CFR members.

And it baffles we why you think any organization in this nation has a binding authority over the policies of this government. There are THOUSANDS of privately run organizations operating in this country, all publishing papers and recommendations. Again, that is part of the free speech we enjoy as American citizens. Are you suggesting that the members of the CFR should not be allowed to participate in a Council whose focus is something they all share a mutual interest and expertise in? Would you also like to get rid of the NRA?

719 posted on 05/22/2006 4:02:33 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Why didn't you say so when I asked you if you had any affiliations with the CFR?"

I don't. I've got a gay cousin living in New York, a liberal artist sister in Portland, and a neurosurgeon sister-in-law living in Georgia. But I don't have any affiliation with the organizations they belong to either.

720 posted on 05/22/2006 4:06:37 PM PDT by Rokke
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