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Why Are We In Iraq?
Mens News Daily.com ^ | January 29, 2005 | Raymond S. Kraft

Posted on 05/17/2006 6:49:36 PM PDT by FARS

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To: FARS; Dr. Nobel Dynamite

I believe facts are important and that no one should email this tome to family or friends without footnotes pointing out the errors of fact.

That is why I am trying to pin down the inaccuracies as I believe the thrust of the opinion in the article is worth discussing.


61 posted on 05/17/2006 8:22:23 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite

Most books in school today star out with U.S. History and my three moms


62 posted on 05/17/2006 8:24:52 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite; All

I believe it was I, who discussed Iran as a parallel and I am led to believe that I have standing on this subject. Apparently considered an SME (subject matter expert), so take my word for it if the original author's historical flaws impact your common sense. For the sake of silly argument?

In case, good Doctor, you fail to realize the extent of the global danger we are facing from the neo-Iran regime, do make the time to read up on this at http://www.antimullah.com and perhaps realize that your argumentative comments resemble fiddling while Rome burns.

Enjoy the education you might receive there and take hold of the big picture rather than splitting hairs to show how erudite you may be.

You have helped create a lively discussion but may have lost sight of the purpose of the post and original article in the way and to the degree you are doing it.

What say you?


63 posted on 05/17/2006 8:25:32 PM PDT by FARS (OK)
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To: patriciaruth; All

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64 posted on 05/17/2006 8:28:25 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite

65 posted on 05/17/2006 8:29:08 PM PDT by usmcobra (Marines out of uniform might as well be nude, since they can no longer be recognized as Marines.)
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To: patriciaruth

Fabulous, fabulous points in this article; thanks so much for the ping. I've saved it and also sent it to a few e-mail friends.


66 posted on 05/17/2006 8:30:04 PM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: FARS
The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.

Common sense.

67 posted on 05/17/2006 8:33:52 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite

Just because you say so and believe so doesn't make it true.

My father was in a position in the Navy in WWII to learn and see things that weren't common knowledge, like our invasion plans for Japan. He helped set up the communications and Loran (early radar system) around the North Atlantic. Before our entry into the war, as a civilian he was involved in commercial flights around South America. He watched German activity in South America and reported it to our government. He helped fly (as communications officer) lend lease planes from South America to Africa.

My aunt served in the State Department in Morocco and the Amazon. She also trained with OSS.

Both of them learned to speak Spanish and saw Nazi activity in South America.

What was in the mind of Hitler? He may not have left any papers you or I can point to, but I believe he eventually meant to take over the U.S.



68 posted on 05/17/2006 8:36:47 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite

"...in outrage Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on Germany, which had not attacked us.
Is that what happened?"

It wasn't unanimous.


69 posted on 05/17/2006 8:36:59 PM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: Peach

There are some minor historical inaccuracies in the article. Read the whole thread to find them or you can access my posts as I'm trying to footnote them.


70 posted on 05/17/2006 8:41:25 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: FARS

Fantastic article. President Bush should explain the situation this way.


71 posted on 05/17/2006 8:41:40 PM PDT by Theo
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To: usmcobra

I don't understand your point.

Does the fact that six saboteurs were caught & executed means that the Nazis planned to invade and conquer the continental United States?


72 posted on 05/17/2006 8:42:36 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: Dave Elias

Yes, the vote for war against Germany by Congress wasn't unanimous. One 90 year old congresswoman, a lifelong peace advocate, voted against the Declaration of War against Germany after Pearl Harbor.


73 posted on 05/17/2006 8:44:52 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: patriciaruth

I just went through your posts (I did a freeper search under your name rather than read the entire thread of comments) and you sound a lot like my husband who is a WWII and Civil War buff.


74 posted on 05/17/2006 8:45:41 PM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: FARS
Why don't we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, North Korea, in the places in the world that really need peace activism the most?

For the same reason that Alec Baldwin still lives in the States after having promised to move out of the country if Bush won.

75 posted on 05/17/2006 8:49:11 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Theo
President Bush should explain the situation this way.

The country is not ready to learn that we are in the opening battles of WWWIII. Especially as there is an outside chance that some sneaky maneuvers in Iran might abort some of the worst of the threat.

Besides, this war runs on the taxes produced by our economy. And the truth wouldn't be good for the ecomony.

76 posted on 05/17/2006 8:49:13 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: patriciaruth
Just because you say so and believe so doesn't make it true.

I couldn't agree more. That's why, instead of just taking my word for it, you should use your own deductive powers and come to the inevitable conclusion that such an invasion was for all intents and purposes impossible. Because Germany did not have anything remotely approaching the capability it would have taken to invade and control the United States, such an idea was never for a moment given serious planning consideration by the Germans.

If you have a shred of evidence to the contrary, I would be interested in seeing it.

77 posted on 05/17/2006 8:51:01 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: Peach

My cousin, the retired Colonel, was a Civil War buff. I never have read much about that war. I got interested in WWII after reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich when I was a teenager, and also because my father and aunt were involved in WWII, as were a couple uncles.


78 posted on 05/17/2006 8:52:27 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Dave Elias
It was a rhetorical question pointing out the glaring inaccuracy in the date of the declaration of war against Germany.
79 posted on 05/17/2006 8:52:49 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: patriciaruth

I love WWII movies and did read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich; but there aren't many books I read about the war, I'll admit.

Your knowledge is pretty impressive, patriciaruth.

Good night; I've had a long day. Thanks again for the ping to this fabulous article, even with it's relatively minor historical discrepancies.


80 posted on 05/17/2006 8:55:13 PM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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