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To: Diamond
That's what it sounded like to me.

I can't control what you see when you read what I write. Perhaps I am not a good writer, or, maybe, you didn't read it thoughtfully enough, but instead projected upon it. Could be a bit of both.

Why else bring up a brutal and murderous Islamic dictatorship in the context of a Republic that sprang from from Judeo-Christian roots?

The context was government and morality, not any specific government. I have already explained to you why it won't work here in the long run anymore than it has worked elsewhere. Hillary's mortality vs Calvin Coolidge's.

Government is force, not morality. God doesn't need our pathetic violence to reign over the universe.

152 posted on 05/18/2006 9:20:37 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: Protagoras
Hillary's mortality

A very telling typo. :^}

158 posted on 05/18/2006 9:36:13 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: Protagoras
Government is force...

Yes, I'm in complete agreement. As the saying goes:

... Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

not morality

Yes, but you had better hope that it is built on and constrained by a true moral foundation:

...that the foundations of our national policy, will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality; and the pre-eminence of free Government, be exemplified by all the attributes which can win the affections of its Citizens, and command the respect of the world. I dwell on this prospect with every satisfaction which an ardent love for my Country can inspire: since there is no truth more thoroughly established, than that there exists in the œconomy and course of nature, an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness, between duty and advantage, between the genuine maxims of an honest and magnanimous policy, and the solid rewards of public prosperity and felicity: Since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained: And since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of Government, are justly considered as deeply, perhaps as finally staked, on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.
George Washington

God doesn't need our pathetic violence to reign over the universe.

Yes this is true, but at the same time God has ordained government (and its use of force) for certain functions, constrained within its proper boundaries, as necessary. Both the proper purpose of civil magistrates and their limitations were understood from the beginning of this country, an example of which is:

God, the supreme Lord and King of all the world, has ordained civil magistrates, to be, under him, over the people, for his own glory, and the public good: and, to this end, has armed them with the power of the sword, for the defense and encouragement of them that are good, and for the punishment of evildoers. Civil magistrates may not assume to themselves the administration of the Word and sacraments; or the power of the keys of the kingdom of heaven; or, in the least, interfere in matters of faith. It is the duty of people to pray for magistrates, to honor their persons, to pay them tribute or other dues, to obey their lawful commands, and to be subject to their authority, for conscience' sake. Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter XXIII, 1, 3, 4

Cordially,

163 posted on 05/18/2006 10:48:25 AM PDT by Diamond
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