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You guys are out of sync with your members....much like the GOP Senate.

The bannings and suspensions here are highly subjective and nowadays almost always involve folks critical of Bush or the RINOs.,,,although folks are no longer banned just for saying Minutemen admittedly but you guys are sure editorializing the stew out of those Sidebar titles. Folks are still going to find critical immigration articles even if they don't get sidebar coverage.

You guys....maybe not you personally...have made a tacitcal error in choosing to charter this forum to support the Senate and Bush and their GWP or Amnesty or whatever one wishes to call it.

I have never seen so many GOP angry with their incumbents as now over this issue. Far worse than when Bush I raised taxes.

That's my take anyhow and the dozens of polls you guys have run here prove that my views are in the majority here, the rather loud minority notwithstanding.

So how is all this going to end? I'm really sorry it has to be like this. It's been better.

So how is all this going to end?

Very badly for any organization or person(s) that put their support behind Bush & the Senate. The President has lost all credibility on this issue, as has the Senate and both of their supporters. Just weeks ago is was tantamount to blasphemy to even mention impeachment; now it's openly being called for. I wonder what it was like when the GOP was formed all those years ago as the Whigs imploded.

Bannings and suspensions are quite fair. Some of you folks get so emotional that you step over the line in your zeal to make a point. Every banning I've witnessed came with a warning, followed by a lot of talking back to the moderators.

I am NOT a moderator.

I've been in trouble with the mods myself, but I am not one to argue with clear authority. You, with your repeated accusations in the face of being corrected, are acting like you want someone to give you a time out, if only to make a point of being banned for reasons you and others might consider unfair.

I know that you and others think I am getting some kind of special treatment here, and I even joked about it, so that it would tweak some of you. You can tell a lot about a person when you poke them in the ribs to see if they can take it.

Each of us has the right to request that any odd FReeper not post to them if they feel there is nothing to gain from interacting with said person. I think this serves to keep the personal wars to a minimum. I know at least 4 FReepers who don't want to hear from me, and I have no problem adhering to their wishes.

But some of you guys make it soooooo easy to push your buttons, it makes me wonder sometimes if I am not arguing with Democrats. Believe it or not, I am just as susceptible to being banned as you or anyone else. And I realize that some folks will dance in the streets if I given the heave-ho, so I don't give them that satisfaction.

Just make your points, don't get angry, don't call names, do use facts, don't treat this as some form of competition, and you wont have a problem here. As far as I see, this site supports the Conservative agenda, and I believe the founder has stated that for the moment, the best chance of preserving that agenda is to give the Democrats no momentum they can use to defeat our side in November.

How will it all end? We are going to pick up seats in November. I am going to continue to hunt trolls. You are probably going to argue your way into a time out, and the site will go on as if you and I never existed. None of us individually are so bloody important that the Conservative agenda wont go on without our support. So don't take it all so seriously.

"You guys are out of sync with your members....much like the GOP Senate."

Based on the vast majority of comments supporting the original vanity that started this thread, I think it is you who are out of synch with most members of FR. There is a huge difference between disagreeing on an issue and demanding members of this site don't vote in 2006. There is also a big difference between disagreeing with a President and calling him a treasonous traitor who should be impeached. As someone who still serves in the military, and still recognizes we have a serious job to do protecting this nation from the very real threat of Islamofascists, the biggest obstacle I can see in the future to our success in that war is a Speaker Pelosi and an impeached Commander in Chief.

Illegal immigration is yet one more problem President Bush has inherited from his predecessors. It has taken generations to evolve into its current state. And it will take generations to solve. The American public has become convinced that all problems can be solved overnight. I'm not sure if that is a result of watching too many movies, or spending too much time listening to the MSM, but it isn't true. Whether it is the war on terror, the fight against abortion, undoing our welfare society, or solving illegal immigration, it is going to take time to accomplish the results we are looking for. The fact that some "conservatives" are ready to bail out just when every sign indicates their pet issue is starting to be addressed puts them into the same category as the cut-and-run democrats who want to sign a war on terror peace treaty because Iraq is not yet a Jeffersonian Democracy.

For some people this may just be an opportunity to "make a point" about how important they are. But to thousands of Americans fighting around the world to guarantee the freedom of this country, a democrat congress will mean the difference between ultimate success and failure in a war we are currently winning. And we cannot afford to lose that war. And in the meantime, the problem of illegal immigration is starting to get the attention it deserves. Bush is fighting several wars at once. It sure as hell doesn't help that his supposed "base" has opened another front to his rear.

You know - the immigration articles would be more noticed if they were not filled with hate Bush rhetoric or the typical "teach the GOP a lesson by making them lose an election" junk.

They do not have discussion - just rhetoric. Stuff like shoot all of them as they come over - there has to be an army on the border today or Bush will not get my vote ---and "yeah, I've got my rifle ready".

A serious discussion of workable options to solve the problems is needed and good minds are needed. Let us know when a legimate immigration discussion is posted. I don't believe it can be done.

The bannings and suspensions here are highly subjective and nowadays almost always involve folks critical of Bush or the RINOs.,,,although folks are no longer banned just for saying Minutemen admittedly but you guys are sure editorializing the stew out of those Sidebar titles.

To be fair, I think wardaddy has a point. I've always used the same criteria in flagging articles when I posted them, but just the past month or so, one of the mods has brought it to my attention that I was doing it incorrectly- and apparently I had been doing it for years. Also, I never knew that FR apparently regards WorldNetDaily and Newsmax articles as 'chat' or something- never to posted under 'Breaking', even if there's new info that the lib media has left out of their spoonfed pap.

It was a polite exchange all the way with the Mod, and I conformed to the forum rules once I knew about them- but why the change now? Perhaps because articles clearly in favor of border control are regarded as less favorable? One can only wonder.

As a side issue, those posting rules need to be put on a permanent page, not some thread from 6 months ago that I never saw before.