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I've always liked the metric system; a lot of my interests are international in scope and nearly all researchers publish their findings using the metric system.
1 posted on 05/15/2006 10:41:03 AM PDT by Junior
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I remember our teachers telling us in the 60s that the US was going to begin using nothing but the metric system very soon so we had better learn it. With the exception of two or three liter soda bottles, I've done fine without it.


2 posted on 05/15/2006 10:43:07 AM PDT by mlc9852
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see America ditch the standard system.


Sorry, ditches are a mile apart


3 posted on 05/15/2006 10:44:42 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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...president of Americans for Customary Weight and Measure in Wiscasset, Maine...

I guess by biggest reaction to this is relief that we are prosperous and contented enough to have people organizing groups like this.

Having said that, it's probably true that everyone who needs to be fluent in the metric system (scientists, as you say, and also people trading internationally) is. And thus despite our having inherited them from the Brits, I think our measures make for a charming piece of American exceptionalism.

4 posted on 05/15/2006 10:44:44 AM PDT by untenured
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In 1999, the Mars Climate Orbiter burned up in the Martian atmosphere because NASA navigators mistakenly thought a contractor used metric measurements when standard units were actually used.

There's no excuse for this. In science the international system should be used for all measurements.

5 posted on 05/15/2006 10:45:05 AM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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i've known Brent for a lot of years. he's a real hoot. a bit of a gadfly and folks just look upon him as a bit of an eccentric. he often wears a kilt.

he also has a heart of gold and will go the extra mile to help a friend and do the right thing.

can be annoying as hell tho, but what a guy!


6 posted on 05/15/2006 10:46:50 AM PDT by camle (Keep your mind open and somebody will fill if full of something for you.)
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The metric system would be better. The trick is to get people to have the same intuitive feel for metric measurements that they now have for the standard system. We're getting there, but it will take another generation or two.


8 posted on 05/15/2006 10:47:09 AM PDT by beckett (Amor Fati)
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Seems to me we used inches, feet, gallons, miles, etc to get to the moon in 1969.


9 posted on 05/15/2006 10:48:24 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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I was trained as an engineer in the SI/Metric system. Newton Meters. Kilowatts. kcmils. I started to work as an engineer. I get foot-pounds, kips, horsepower, and AWG tables. Thanks a lot.


10 posted on 05/15/2006 10:48:35 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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I wouldn't mind IF we use the best most appropriate units for whatever it is you're measuring.

I'm sorry, but "cm" for people height just doesn't cut it. I don't want to say "one-hundred seventy-nine centimeters" when it could simply be "seventeen point nine decimeters".


And another thing - PLEASE let us never spell the English way - "Rs" switched with "Es". To wit, "centimetre" - BLAH!


13 posted on 05/15/2006 10:53:17 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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I wonder what metric system he is going to use. His choice of centimeters doesn't seem to be in line with current usage. On the other hand he can go off any way he wants and it probably won't be noticed by most.


14 posted on 05/15/2006 10:53:26 AM PDT by FreePaul
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He founded two metric associations in 1993 in Plainfield and in York, Maine. Each has about six members.

That's 0.6 decamembers.

17 posted on 05/15/2006 10:55:02 AM PDT by Heyworth
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Man, you give this guy an inch and he makes 2.54 centimeters out of it.


25 posted on 05/15/2006 11:03:22 AM PDT by SuperSonic (Bush "Lied", People Dyed.....their fingers Purple.)
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We're strictly metric here at work in the biotech field.

Have to say, though, I have a real attachment to the messy standard measures of pounds, miles, gallons and such.
29 posted on 05/15/2006 11:06:07 AM PDT by mysterio
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If they only taught metric in school and changed everything else immediately, we would all be comfortable with it inside a year.

If we only taught and spoke English we'd all be comfortable with in inside a year.

It really is unproductive to teach two types of measurements, two languages, etc.


30 posted on 05/15/2006 11:06:09 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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Give 'em 2.54 centimeters and they'll take 1.61 kilometers.


45 posted on 05/15/2006 11:16:28 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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Since I went to Community College I feel I can quote Chris Rock safely.
It's like a Disco with Books...

I like the metric system for tools, what comes after 7/16"? OK, that's easy, what comes after 1/4"?
46 posted on 05/15/2006 11:17:05 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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We have metric in Canada -- because we thought that the U.S. was going to switch. I'm sorry we didn't wait.

The (only) big advantage of metric is the "base 10" thing. I grew up with the "Imperial" system & there is a lot of memory work involved, and a lot of conversions because of the multitude of bases (2, 3, 12, 16, 40, 5,218, etc.) To say nothing of the problem of converting from Imperial to American fluid measures (bigger ounces in the U.S., bigger quarts and gallons in Imperial). However, the Imperial (or "Traditional") measurement system is more intuitive because it is based on human dimensions and applications.

So far as I know there has never been a metric baby in Canada -- everyone reports the birth weight (most common question after the sex) in pounds and ounces -- even today's parents who were taught nothing but the metric system in school. It's a tradition that I hope stays a long time.
48 posted on 05/15/2006 11:17:40 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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Bump for the metric system.


57 posted on 05/15/2006 11:26:49 AM PDT by Tribune7
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Well... I think the whole Metric thing is WAY overblown, and in particular, at its core downright sappy.

Understand - first and foremost - I am a practicing scientist. Every last thing that is touched in research is covered by the metric system. I use it effortlessly - and enjoy the brilliance of its SI 'powers of 10'. This is not to say that there aren't subtle -ahem- irreconcilable differences between those of use who like CGS (centimeter, gram, second) and those who do everything in the MKS (meter, kilogram, second) systems. But really, they're minor differences.

The more important point is that Metric, for all intensive purposes essentially fails from a practical-man's and woman's perspective. A 2 by 4 is ... well... 2 inches by 4 inches (before bright planing - its true!). Oh, I suppose you could remember that it is a 5 by 10 (cm), and that'd work out OK. But what's the equivalent of a 3/4 (three quarters) or a 5/4 (five quarters) or 3/2 (three halves) piece of timber? The first time I heard five quarters, I thought ... how elegant! I intuitively know exactly what is being discussed ... a quarter more than 1 inch. Brilliant!

But architecture can, and does (elsewhere in the world) get on in Metric well enough. Not the best example.

A better one is Kitchen Science.

My wife is an excellent and accomplished cook. We have several dozen European cookbooks all nicely metricized. The result is utter stupidity, on a scale so thick headed that it defies belief. ALL the recipes would appear to be translations of "standard english" or pre-metric European measurements into metric. So, you have 225 milliliters of water. No, not a cup. 225 milliliters. You gonna remember whether its 225 or 315 or 900 divided by 4? Are you? Day after next year? It gets even more amusing when the rest of the ingredients are put in. 1.5 grams of pepper, 2.5 grams of salt. 375 grams flour. 4 eggs. 15 milliters of oil.

Are you confused yet? This is a recipe for PASTA. Try it in English:

2 cups of flour, 4 eggs, 1 tablespoon oil, 1/2 tsp salt and 1/2 tsp pepper.

You know, I know, and EVERYONE knows that you're not going to be measuring grams of salt. You'll remember (maybe) what 'a gram' looks like, and you'll estimate. I, at least, can reach into the larder drawer and get out the teaspoon measures, and the measuring cup. Dip into the flour jar, crack a few eggs, measure out the oil and voila. Pasta. Meanwhile, my French (they're the worst), German (almost as bad) and Italian friends are busily cleaning up their weights and scales and finicky milliliter cylinders. Bah.

It gets better, actually. What about the idiotic Centigrade scale? Freeze your butt off is like -5C. Fear of death through heat stroke is 40C. They don't sound a whole lot different to me. Somehow, I get the idea that 'damn cold' is 0F, and 'hotter than hell' is above 100F. Very practical range, for us doughty humans. I know that mid-scale (50) is pretty cool. I might expect it to be a bit warmer, but it isn't. We learn. This is though the same in the metric system. Nothing "centigrade" (celsius) is as you would expect. Temperatures never are. But it IS based on something just about as arbitrary as the length of the King's Foot. The freezing and boiling points of pure water. OK. Nice compound, pretty important and all ... but hardly a UNIVERSAL metric for temperature!

So there, in a long diatribe is the thesis: that the majority of the world benefitted from "going metric" due to their hopelessly out-of-kilter independent systems of measurement. It worked and works for many things. I wouldn't be much of a scientist if I still did things by stones, drams, minims, gills and BTUs.

But for some areas of our world-existance ... ya think that the prehistoric invention of POWERS OF 2 might have met some really practical need? Ya think? I sure do. Powers of 10 is great, but powers of 2 (and 3) are emminently practical for guessing and estimating things. And yes... they do result in odd conversions between infrequently converted things. Like why is a mile 5280 feet, and why are there 640 acres per square mile. But apart from that ... its pretty straight forward. Miles for long measures, yards for middlin', then feet and inches for construction. Bushels for agriculture, gallons and barrels for large measure, ounces for small. Cups and quarts, teaspoons and tablespoons for the kitchen. Quarters and halves, inches and feet for timber. Pounds are fine for weights, G's for accelleration, foot-pounds for torque, etc.

There's something intuitive about measuring force as being analogous to mass (not so with Newtons and Kg), something intuitive about being able to pace yards. And bloody hell: I do NOT need a gram scale to weigh out flour to make bread, thank you very much. Or weigh oatmeal to get that to happen, or carefully measure water to the milliliter.

End/o/Rant


61 posted on 05/15/2006 11:27:40 AM PDT by GoatGuy (GoatGuy)
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The metric movement is soooo 1970s.


63 posted on 05/15/2006 11:28:34 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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