Posted on 05/12/2006 9:18:12 AM PDT by xjcsa
I'm back (I have to catch up on all your posts), but in the meantime - now you are COMPLAINING about illegals we actually "caught at the border who never even made it in"?! Talk about moving the goalposts!
That is exactly why I was trying to avoid getting crosswise of you in these Bush/immigration threads.
Clearly you are passionate about them, as am I.
Our little local news will fade and there we are, very much opposed. Sorry.
Anyway, you know it wasn't that bad. People call you a Bush-Bot all the time. Do you really think that you don't deserve to be ridiculed a little for taking the pose of being all worried that "People aren't posting because they don't want to be drilled and mocked for their opinions anymore."
Come on, buck up! You're a serious, gutter-fighting pajama monkey. This ain't nothing. You should be loving this cause I got all this egg on my face.
me neither.
How much of a recession are you willing to allow in order to rid the U.S. of every illegal alien?
I think we could reasonably deport 10 million, but at what cost?
Mr. Tancredo - tear down this wall!
By the way the real number is closer to 20 million.
That is not an unreasonable conclusion. It would take federalizing every police force plus troops to round up that many people spread across the country. It would be defacto martial law. As much as people say they want the illegals to leave this country would not stand for pictures we saw with that Cuban kid multiplied by several million every night. No it really is unreasonable to think that could happen.
Some live so close to the Border that transportation costs would be zelch.
It's not as tho they have to cross an ocean.
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What more serious discussion do you need? It's all out there to see.
Some want amnesty... Some want the border protected (and want to hold Bush accountable for his inaction)... Some want open borders.... Some want to reward illegals with citizenship.... Some want a combination of those things.
What's left to "seriously discuss"?
Until Bush actually does something about it what else do we have, on this forum, other than debate. Just because people don't capitulate to your point of view doesn't translate into hate.
I don't think people hate me because they disagree. Let them disagree all they want. It's their right. But, disagreement about illegals and the border is the same as declaring the Constitution a living document. There really is no debate about the fact that Bush has not met his Constitutional duty regarding our border.
If a dem president were shirking his oath to the Constitution in this way you guys would be scraming "Impeach" rather than wanting to have a "serious discussion" about it. Hypocritical? I think so.
"Comprehensive reform" to me is the same as serious discussion. It simply means that you want those of us who want illegals to be deported and treated as criminals to come around to your way of thinking. Why should we? We believe in the sanctity of our borders from all invaders. You seem to want to talk about it until it's too late. (It may be already)
You probably interpret my post about Bush's speech as hate, too. It's not. It's information to some FReepers that may have not seen it. It gives them an idea where Bush's position is on this issue.
Don't you get it? He sees bi-lingualism and multi-culturalism as good thing. I don't. If he was saying that about any other ethnicity I would be saying the same thing.
This thread is about illegals and people are going to trash him on that. If you can't take it don't read them.
Ok. Tell me your strategy for identifying 8 million people across the country and deporting them. Only about a third stay in the border states.
The answer is DAMN FEW!!! The folks who readily are "deported" (rather than exercising "appeal rights" which rival those of convicted criminals and tie up the courts for years) accept "voluntary departure"!
In fact, "Catch & Release" actions merely involve illegal aliens who opt for "voluntary departure" and then disappear into the woodwork! This "battle" was lost LONG, LONG AGO and has landed on Bush's doorstep! He has reached ZERO CREDIBILITY on many issues..., immigration is just one of many!
Bash away..., I voted for him twice and would do so again because he represented the LESSER OF THE EVILS!!!
I posted back politely and, in a reasoned way, asking if those captured by the BP wouldn't just immediately try again to cross.
I have not seen a reply.
Or, to draw a comparison, does the fact that the IRS doesn't have the resources to investigate and prosecute every taxpayer who cheats on his/her taxes (or even just those who fail to file) cause you to draw the conclusion that they shouldn't investigate and prosecute ANY of them?
Local law enforcement agencies in every location in this country do not have the resources to catch and prosecute all burglary perpetrators. Is that sufficient reason to stop all attempts to prosecute any of them?
The list goes on. The administration, aided by Kennedy, McCain, et al, is guilty of extremely faulty reasoning in this case.
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