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Lots of us want serious discussion of this, and we can't get it because of the hate........yes, hate, for the President and for those of us who respect him.

What more serious discussion do you need? It's all out there to see.

Some want amnesty... Some want the border protected (and want to hold Bush accountable for his inaction)... Some want open borders.... Some want to reward illegals with citizenship.... Some want a combination of those things.

What's left to "seriously discuss"?

Until Bush actually does something about it what else do we have, on this forum, other than debate. Just because people don't capitulate to your point of view doesn't translate into hate.

I don't think people hate me because they disagree. Let them disagree all they want. It's their right. But, disagreement about illegals and the border is the same as declaring the Constitution a living document. There really is no debate about the fact that Bush has not met his Constitutional duty regarding our border.

If a dem president were shirking his oath to the Constitution in this way you guys would be scraming "Impeach" rather than wanting to have a "serious discussion" about it. Hypocritical? I think so.

"Comprehensive reform" to me is the same as serious discussion. It simply means that you want those of us who want illegals to be deported and treated as criminals to come around to your way of thinking. Why should we? We believe in the sanctity of our borders from all invaders. You seem to want to talk about it until it's too late. (It may be already)

You probably interpret my post about Bush's speech as hate, too. It's not. It's information to some FReepers that may have not seen it. It gives them an idea where Bush's position is on this issue.

Don't you get it? He sees bi-lingualism and multi-culturalism as good thing. I don't. If he was saying that about any other ethnicity I would be saying the same thing.

This thread is about illegals and people are going to trash him on that. If you can't take it don't read them.

This thread is about illegals and people are going to trash him on that. If you can't take it don't read them.

Well, thanks for your honesty and admission that I'm right. These threads are all 'trash Bush' threads, and people who agree on the issue, but respect the President are forced to either take abuse, or leave.

You have just admitted to the heart of the problem...........and we can't get anything done as long as guys like you feel like you who have a disdain for President Bush 'own' the illegal immigration issue.

You guarantee that nothing will be accomplished on these threads. And THAT is my point.

Don't you get it? He sees bi-lingualism and multi-culturalism as good thing. I don't. If he was saying that about any other ethnicity I would be saying the same thing.

I've heard "nation of immigrants" more times in the last six weeks than in the last five years. Multiculturalism and bilingualism have made their respective contributions to society, but what you're talking about is full-blown cultural anarchy under the guise of diversity and an appeal to some outdated, warm and fuzzy sentiment. Some, both in the GOP and Democrat party, would prefer America look like the bar scene in Star Wars.

Would we--conservatives and Republicans--have acted this way during the Clinton years?