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U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols (telling the Mexican government)
Daily Bulletin ^ | 5/9/2006 | Sara A Carter

Posted on 05/09/2006 6:21:25 AM PDT by IrishMike

While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are. According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.

"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.

"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."

Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.

"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.

"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailybulletin.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; falsestory; getaclue; gwot; illegalimmigration; illegals; incorrectstory; loudobbs; mexicans; mexico; minutemanproject; minutemen; moonbatbarking; nationalsecurity; notaccurate; nutcases; saraacarter; saracarter; wot
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To: sofaman

I could be wrong, but I do not think Jim Robinson is on the trip with the Minutemen. I think the photo of the car leading the convoy showed JR in it at another function, I think the first update stated he was not on this trip.


361 posted on 05/09/2006 9:10:19 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
"It's a longstanding requirement of international law."

What does international law say about invading a sovereign nation? I mean are we allowed to kick their ass out or do we go to the international law tribunal and request a conference with their government representative? Man you are at the wrong site to be quoting international law. Here we believe AMERICAN law takes precedence over international law when it comes to invading our country.

362 posted on 05/09/2006 9:10:40 AM PDT by blaquebyrd (Allegiance to country before party)
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To: pabianice

I passed disappointed a long time ago. Right now I'm cruising past white-hot anger. There aren't words to express how I feel.


363 posted on 05/09/2006 9:10:42 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: blaquebyrd
You don't get it do you? Screw international law! We're talking about the security of our country and you quote international law?

Yes. It's the same international law that lets Americans have access to American consular officials when they are arrested in foreign countries such as Mexico. You want that right terminated?

You open border types are getting bolder by the day.

I'm not an "open border type," thank you very much.

364 posted on 05/09/2006 9:10:43 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Been shaking my head in disgust for years. That there is anyone on here still trying to spin this away strains credulity a bit.

If the government isn't going to enforce the laws, time to stop OBEYING the government. No more taxes, gun laws, EPA/FDA/DOE/ect... regulations. Toss it all out the window.

After all, this kind of points out that if millions of us just STOP obeying the law, then the FedGov will just roll over and cave in.

These morons have no idea the kind of sh*tstorm they are brewing up. I just hope they don't get us all killed.

365 posted on 05/09/2006 9:11:24 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: IrishMike; All

YOUR TAX $$$$$$$$$ at work :)


366 posted on 05/09/2006 9:12:19 AM PDT by soccer_maniac (Do some good while browsing FR --> Join our Folding@Home Team# 36120: keyword: folding@home)
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To: IrishMike

Looks like the "migrants" have more rights than the Minutemen. Whose side is our government on here?


367 posted on 05/09/2006 9:12:21 AM PDT by mafree
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To: John Jorsett

"....Next they'll be telling Mexico where the Border Patrol buries its seismic sensors....."


or maybe just sell them 'seismic sensor detectors' !


368 posted on 05/09/2006 9:13:13 AM PDT by IrishMike (Dry Powder is a plus)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
"I won't call it treason..snip"

I would call it "sabotage"...which is by definition, . "Treacherous action to defeat or hinder a cause or an endeavor; deliberate subversion."

The Minutemen are a defeat for Bush because they signal to the American People that they are doing the job our Gov't won't do. Bush loathes them.

sw

369 posted on 05/09/2006 9:13:46 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Jeff Head
However, his actions as regards the border, the presecription drug program, big "compassionate" government spending, campaign finance reform and (as I said earlier) the Assault Weapon Ban are reprehensible and not worthy of support.

Let's not forget: steel tariffs, Harriet Miers, pandering on 'alternative energy', signing Sarbanes-Oxley, effectively federalizing all disaster relief, abandoning Social Security reform. The bill of particulars of GWB disappointments is long.

370 posted on 05/09/2006 9:13:51 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: LadyNavyVet
I passed disappointed a long time ago. Right now I'm cruising past white-hot anger. There aren't words to express how I feel.

There are, but, I'd get banned.

371 posted on 05/09/2006 9:14:33 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: LadyNavyVet

There aren't words to express how I feel.


Betrayed? Abandoned? Used?


372 posted on 05/09/2006 9:14:43 AM PDT by VOATNOW1
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To: PeterPrinciple

"What migrant rights????????

Migrants have rights. I have posted this before and I am going to post this again. Click on the borderless map and then click on table of contents.

http://www.naalc.org

We gave them these rights when we signed on to NAFTA as this is an official NAFTA website with reports of the Secretariat of NAFTA. This is about labor laws and migrant rights.

No doubt, somewhere in NAFTA, CAFTA or the FTAA, there is something written that protects the migrants as they cross the border with or without work permits.

Just don't waste your time with the Guide to health care in Mexico. It will be a blank page. We give free health care to migrants or illegal aliens and it is verified.


373 posted on 05/09/2006 9:14:51 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: soccer_maniac
Karl Rove knows that while the base complains and threatens, when it comes down to election day, they'll never vote Democrat

Of course they won't. But a significant number - enough to easily offset the numbers gained in the Hispanic community by the GOP's pandering efforts - will choose (out of frustration) to either vote Independet, third party, or stay home. If "reaching out" to this "fastest growing demographic" actually worked then Rove's strategy might make some sense (ignoring for a minute that the real-world details of this strategy are slowing killing our nation), but as I mentioned history informs us that it doesn't work, and that the GOP's pandering efforts always fail. (They've been trying to "reach out" to blacks for decades now, but that groups still votes Donkey at a 90% clip).

If Rove's looking for success in the midterms he should recommend dropping the pandering, closing the border, repealing the anchor baby laws, cutting off the welfare freebies to illegals, and heavily fine (or jail) employers who hire them.

374 posted on 05/09/2006 9:15:01 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: ARCADIA
OK Bushbots: could someone please explain how this can be anything but outright treason.

It is a long-standing requirement of international law (i.e., CENTURIES-long-standing).

Basically, when a foreign national is arrested here in the United States, certain requirements come into play:

1. The foreign national must be allowed access to a consular official of his country upon request.

2. The foreign government must be notified of the circumstances of the arrest--date, time, location, charge(s), and name(s) of arresting individual(s).

3. The foreign government may request access to the arresting individual(s) for an interview.

375 posted on 05/09/2006 9:15:05 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: CodeToad

If Mexico is so concerned that the rights of the illegals are not violated, they should keep all illegals out of the US, then they could be sure their rights are not being violated by US citizens.


376 posted on 05/09/2006 9:15:47 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Dead Corpse
I just hope they don't get us all killed.

I worry about that part.

377 posted on 05/09/2006 9:16:09 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: TexasCajun
Nothing like wasting your vote on the Librarian Candidate to show 'em your political power.

What's wrong with Librarians? Heck, Benjamin Franklin started America's first 'lending library'; he was a decent fellow, wouldn't you agree?


378 posted on 05/09/2006 9:16:13 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: VOATNOW1

I can't even be that articulate.
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH!


379 posted on 05/09/2006 9:16:16 AM PDT by benjamin032
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

We are being invaded to the tune of 12+ million and you want the Mexican government to have a chat with the American who arrests each invader? You can't equate this invasion with a hit and run accident by a GI in Japan. You can't be serious.


380 posted on 05/09/2006 9:17:24 AM PDT by blaquebyrd (Allegiance to country before party)
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