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To: pbrown

The elites and their cronies are pretty hated by the ordinary peasants because they got comfortable over guanxis (relationships - I understand networking works in the West as well, but in China itself it is the only way you can get something done). These cronies got their first capitals from "unspecified sources" i.e. government "loans" or whatever. They then used speculations to snowball their gains.

I have no idea if the "true" middle class is really hated. My sis-in-law's family is one of them. Her dad refuses to take bribes over time again and again, and so he couldn't make it to the CEO of a steel-making corporation's division in one major city.

Anyhow, I think it would be wishful thinking to expect the first and most of the second group to support US policies to promote democratizations. They are effectively more akin to the elite supporter groups in most of the non-Islamic middle Eastern nations or Latin America. They have no trouble sending their kids to America for study, but they would no doubt see their interests are vested with the Commies.


63 posted on 05/08/2006 9:47:10 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: NZerFromHK
The elites and their cronies are pretty hated by the ordinary peasants because they got comfortable over guanxis (relationships - I understand networking works in the West as well, but in China itself it is the only way you can get something done).

That reminds me of the way the Soviet Union once operated.

These cronies got their first capitals from "unspecified sources" i.e. government "loans" or whatever.

Are these the same types of 'LOANS' that are china's headache talked about in the article?

My sis-in-law's family is one of them. Her dad refuses to take bribes over time again and again, and so he couldn't make it to the CEO of a steel-making corporation's division in one major city.

Good for your SIL's family.

They are effectively more akin to the elite supporter groups in most of the non-Islamic middle Eastern nations or Latin America.

If their economy goes down the toilet in the next few months, they may again find themselves part of the underclass.

67 posted on 05/08/2006 9:56:31 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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