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Politics blamed for China's trillion-dollar bad debts
The Australian ^ | May 09, 2006 | Minxin Pei

Posted on 05/08/2006 7:43:07 PM PDT by Leisler

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To: Dead Dog
Then the question is, what does China do militarily.

How prosperous is Taiwan?

41 posted on 05/08/2006 9:15:22 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: NZerFromHK
All I know is they seem pretty proud of the Chosin Reservoir, and are still a bit peeved over our pseudo-colonization during the late 19th early 20th century (can't say I blame them).
42 posted on 05/08/2006 9:17:21 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: freedumb2003

wait till you see the swimming center, "The water cube".

And China and Russia have teamed up on something called, "Project 149".

149 being the events that china and russia are not normally involved in or favored in any given summer olympics. Their planned goal is to dominate every single event at the games and make sure the USA doesn't recieve more medals than either of them. The chinese and russian olympic teams are even training at the same facilities.
The chinese are pulling out all the stops on their gymnastics and swimming programs. Its you "win gold or your a national discrace" time.


43 posted on 05/08/2006 9:18:26 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: pbrown
I tend to think China's only beef with Taiwan is that it exists, I doubt they think they could absorb it's wealth.

Did Hong Kong noticeably influence their economy?
44 posted on 05/08/2006 9:19:57 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I wonder what a little American boycott would do to all their best laid plans?


45 posted on 05/08/2006 9:21:15 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Wow, kinda like the Sarajevo Winter Olympics.Party befor the storm.
46 posted on 05/08/2006 9:21:30 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

And they conveniently gloss over British imperialism (which was extensive and explicitly said as imperialism), French imperialism, and German ones. (Germany before WWI was no saint towards China eitehr, but you won't find the William II-do-to-Chinese-as-historical-Huns speech during the Boxer Rebellion appearing in modern mainland Chinese texts). But many will rise up and denounce the then US SoS John Hay about his "Open Door" policy and Teddy Roosevelt as preparing a subtle strategy to keep China prized for imperialistic expansions from the United States later.

Selective memory, and the first lesson of Soviet/Communist/"liberal"/"progressive" histography is when you learn how P.R. China teaches Chinese history.


47 posted on 05/08/2006 9:23:13 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: Doe Eyes

Yup!
Let's see how that chart looks 1 year from now.

It could take 6 months for the investment community to catch on.


48 posted on 05/08/2006 9:24:40 PM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Dead Dog
I tend to think China's only beef with Taiwan is that it exists, I doubt they think they could absorb it's wealth.

If they suck Taiwan back into the fold, instant billions in their collective commie pockets.

Did Hong Kong noticeably influence their economy?

It wouldn't matter if they did or didn't. Taiwan's money would be their money.

49 posted on 05/08/2006 9:25:25 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Its you "win gold or your a national disgrace" time.

Lets face it, without the Commies, the Olympics have really lost their luster. Having the side plot of Evil Empires is just plane good TV.

Now, if we could just field some American Athletes, not a bunch of mealy mouthed spoiled pantywaists who don't want to play because skiing just isn't fun anymore.

50 posted on 05/08/2006 9:25:31 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: G Larry
Let's see how that chart looks 1 year from now.

I admit I have not invested in China. Don't trust them.

51 posted on 05/08/2006 9:27:21 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Dead Dog

There are plenty of chicom government people that have become rich over the Hong Kong capture.

But there is some good that came out of it. Hong Kong has taught the chinese a lot about how to run an proper economy. A capitalistic economy.


52 posted on 05/08/2006 9:27:33 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Leisler

For all the foreign businesses and financial institutions who are deeply invested in China, consider: If a man owes the bank $100,000, the bank owns the man. If a man owes the bank $1 billion, the man owns the bank.


53 posted on 05/08/2006 9:27:48 PM PDT by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: pbrown

Communists, Socialists, and Democrats have the midass touch. Everything they touch economically turns to shite. They always absorb wealth. Seriously, they (party bosses) would blow Taiwan's wealth on comfort girls and formal dinners with freshly sqeazed snakes.


54 posted on 05/08/2006 9:28:52 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Doe Eyes

Well, not in a portfolio.....

I tried a couple years ago, to check where my purchases were made, with the objective of avoiding Chinese products.

I soon discovered that it's pretty much impossible.


55 posted on 05/08/2006 9:31:19 PM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Dead Dog
(party bosses) would blow Taiwan's wealth on comfort girls and formal dinners with freshly sqeazed snakes.

Ain't that the truth. I believe china has a two tier system, rich political leaders and their businesses and the peasants. Do you know if they have a middle class?

56 posted on 05/08/2006 9:32:02 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: NZerFromHK
I've got a feeling China and Russia are forming a "nonaggression" pact similar to the Soviets and German. In their minds, getting rid of the US will open the door to their new era of grandeur..where they get to divide the world..and fight for it later.

Typical zero sum BS all of Marx's disciples tend to accept without thought.
57 posted on 05/08/2006 9:33:01 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: pbrown; Dead Dog

It depends on whom you define as "middle class": I believe about 1/2 or more of the middle class touted by the MSMs are in fact elite cronies. This leaves 1/2 of the touted figures as "truly middle class". They probably live at American blue collar working class levels and yet sociologically they would be more akin to America's upper middle class in comparative scales.

Most of the population would be peasants no doubt.


58 posted on 05/08/2006 9:36:21 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: Dead Dog

There is no doubt. This is an alliance of convenience and I think in Russia's minds they are probably viewing this as like their Stalinist predecessor's alliance with Britain and America fighting against the Soviet Union. Once the enemy (i.e. the US) disappears, it will be the time to turn the gun barrels around and fight against China and the EU over the spoils that is the world.


59 posted on 05/08/2006 9:38:49 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: NZerFromHK
Thank you for the information.

I'd read stories where the peasants were treated like trash by the upper class and that the potential for class war fare wasn't out of the question.

60 posted on 05/08/2006 9:39:56 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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