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To: L98Fiero


I am not in the "open border" crowd. I am in the anti-hysteria...this has been around for 30 years...why is this now being used to bash bush crowd, understand?

Again, Illegal immigration has been a problem but now it's being used as an alarmist propaganda tool of those with an agenda to depose the Republican Leadership. I am also in the rational, get to the root of the problem (Corrupt Mexican Government), crowd.






12 posted on 05/08/2006 12:49:54 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: in hoc signo vinces

Illegal immigration has been a problem for a long time but now we are at WAR.

That changes things significantly. Bin Ladin or Zarqawi could don sombreros and walk across the border undetected. Is that what national security is about?

It is perfectly ok to send our troops 7200 miles across the globe to fight and die for a bunch of illiterate 3rd worlders but it's out of the question to send them 200 miles south to the border to defend American territory? Does that seem ridiculous to anyone else?


21 posted on 05/08/2006 12:56:17 PM PDT by noobiangod
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Again, Illegal immigration has been a problem but now it's being used as an alarmist propaganda tool of those with an agenda to depose the Republican Leadership.

They learned from the Dubai Ports deal.

It's about politics. You know how I know that? The UAE bought Doncasters, a UK manufacturing company with nine plants in the US, in February. CFIUS approved the sale after a 30 day review, and Bush signed the transfer of those plants LAST WEEK. Those plants supply materials to the military, such as parts for the M-1 tank.

Imagine. A UAE company now owns plants that make US military equipment.

There was nary a peep in the press, and nary a peep on FR.

Everybody was too preoccupied with illegals to notice.

25 posted on 05/08/2006 1:01:42 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
why is this now being used to bash bush crowd, understand?

Gee, that's a real toughie.

think think think think think.

Do you think it possibly could be because Bush continues to promote his guest worker proposal despite the fact that so many in the GOP vehemently oppose such an action?

Nah, it can't possibly be Bush's fault. /sarcasm

27 posted on 05/08/2006 1:03:42 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: in hoc signo vinces

I see your point, I'm just not sure I agree. No doubt that is happening to some degree but most of the "hysteria" was brought on by massive marches in the streets by illegals and their communist supporters brandishing quite hateful and racist messages towards white America.

Granted there was a "movement" led by the Minutemen before the marches but not like there is now. Those marches have hurt their cause more than they will ever know.


31 posted on 05/08/2006 1:08:52 PM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
...this has been around for 30 years...why is this now being used to bash bush crowd, understand?

Let's see...30 years ago there were not 12 - 25 million illegals in this country. 30 years ago we didn't have this war on terror that calls for tight security except at the border. 30 years ago we didn't have millions and millions of illegal aliens of whom many do not want to assimilate nor be Americans. 30 years ago we did not have a bi-lingual problem. 30 years ago we did not have massive public services drain from illegal immigrants, 30 years ago we did not have puplic school systems that were overwhelmed trying to deal with massive failure and bi-lingual education. 30 years ago we did not have a President not Senators and Representatives who not only support but outright encourage this continued invasion...

35 posted on 05/08/2006 1:12:14 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: in hoc signo vinces
I am not in the "open border" crowd. I am in the anti-hysteria...this has been around for 30 years...why is this now being used to bash bush crowd, understand?

Quite odd that your tagline answers your own question.

47 posted on 05/08/2006 1:25:40 PM PDT by houeto (G.W. Bush's legacy: The largest Spanish speaking country in the world!)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Again, Illegal immigration has been a problem but now it's being used as an alarmist propaganda tool

Yes, in Texas it's been a problem ever since April 22, 1836, but the ratio between citizens and illegals hasn't been so close as it is today. They weren't taking over the country before now.

70 posted on 05/08/2006 1:45:21 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
This may have been around for 30 years, but I can tell you that here in small town Indiana, you can't spit without hitting an illegal alien.

This has occurred mostly in the last 5 to 10 years.

The situation is growing worse.

In addition, here in my rather poor locale, there are MANY people making their living doing "jobs that Americans won't do" unless they have been displaced by illegals.

Unskilled and semi-skilled labor is taking a real hit, and people are getting fed up with it!
85 posted on 05/08/2006 2:01:15 PM PDT by EEDUDE (A penny saved is......a penny Congress overlooked.)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
I am not in the "open border" crowd. I am in the anti-hysteria...this has been around for 30 years...why is this now being used to bash bush crowd, understand?

What we are seeing is unprecedented. It didn't just happen on Bush's watch, but over decades. We are witnessing an invasion. Based on US census data, the number of states where Mexican-born residents are the largest group increased from 18 in 1990 to 30 states today. One out of every 8 Californians was born in Mexico and about one out of every three Californians is Hispanic.

The foreign-born population of the United States is currently 33.1 million, equal to 11.5 percent of the U.S. population. Of this total, the Census Bureau estimates 8-9 million are illegal immigrants. Other estimates indicate a considerably higher number of illegal immigrants, 20 to 25 million. \

Approximately 1 million people receive permanent residency annually. In addition, the Census Bureau estimates a net increase of 500,000 illegal immigrants annually.

The present level of immigration is significantly higher than the average historical level of immigration. This flow may be attributed, in part, to the extraordinary broadening of U.S. immigration policy in 1965. Since 1970, more than 30 million legal and illegal immigrants have settled in the U.S., representing more than one-third of all people ever to come to America's shores.

At the peak of the Great Wave of immigration in 1910, the number of immigrants living in the U.S. was less than half of what it is today, though the percentage of the population was slightly higher. The annual arrival of 1.5 million legal and illegal immigrants, coupled with 750,000 annual births to immigrant women, is the determinate factor— or three-fourths— of all U.S. population growth.

We have lost control over our borders, which, after 9/11, is unacceptable. We can't allow our intake of immigrants to be determined by anyone who can cross the border. The reason that the problem of illegal immigration is becoming more visible has more to do with the growing number of illegals than it has to do with alarmists. It is a problem no longer confined to the border states. many

92 posted on 05/08/2006 2:09:25 PM PDT by kabar
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Good evening.
"I am in the anti-hysteria...this has been around for 30 years..."

What is occurring now that has not happened before is a large scale movement demanding rights that don't exist in an effort to conquer the US by changing the demographics in several states.

This is occurring with overt aid from the Communists, the unions and the DemocRATs. Am I being redundant in the last sentence?.

Michael Frazier
172 posted on 05/08/2006 7:02:00 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
I am not in the "open border" crowd. I am in the anti-hysteria...

Apparently you belong to the anti-border contol group. Maybe we will all go back to sleep, again, and you crowd can continue the de-construction of America.

You call us Bush bashers, so who are we supposed to blame for not upholding their oath to the Constitution? He refuses to provide defense of the several states from invasion. He is supposed to be the cheif law enforcement officer, instead he has encouraged millions of illegals to come into this country in the hope of gaining citizenship.

It is his choice, now we get a voice in the matter, so just suck up and take it.

189 posted on 05/09/2006 7:30:19 AM PDT by itsahoot
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