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Sentiment Against Illegals is Powerful and Growing
Townhall.com ^ | May 7 2006 | John Leo

Posted on 05/08/2006 12:20:20 PM PDT by Mount Athos

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To: Mount Athos
LA MIGRA!!
81 posted on 05/08/2006 1:53:47 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: zerosix

You know i've seen this vote the bums out of office comment, but who are you going to vote for a dumbocrat..There seems to be no one out there taking the side of the people. I don't get mad often but this is so maddening.


82 posted on 05/08/2006 1:54:57 PM PDT by genxer
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To: Arizona Carolyn; in hoc signo vinces

In my home county the hospital closed it's doors. That was the only hospital in the entire county. Where are people supposed to go in an emergency? How many tax paying American citizens have died because there is no medical facility in the whole county? BTW, we're talking Texas sized counties - an hour drive from one side to the other.

My property taxes have skyrocketed from what 10 years ago amounted to 2 weeks takehome pay to nearly 2 MONTHS takehome pay. And this with the same job and same house. It's all due to the school district having to more than double it's buildings, increase the ESL classes, and not only is the free lunch program growing but now we have free breakfast.


83 posted on 05/08/2006 1:56:56 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Mount Athos
He considers Dobbs a demagogue, but he wonders whether voters are ready for a Dobbsian program of opposing illegal immigration, "throwing the bums out of Washington" and staying wary of international trade

Lou is doing a superb job Mr. Leo and yes the country is indeed ready for a Dobbsian program of opposing illegal immigration and for "throwing the bums out of Washington" and staying wary of international trade Arab sell-outs of American national security interests. At least get the facts straight just like Mr. Dobbs does night after night.

84 posted on 05/08/2006 2:00:04 PM PDT by Ron H. (Americans Must Come Together to Defeat The Invaders!)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
This may have been around for 30 years, but I can tell you that here in small town Indiana, you can't spit without hitting an illegal alien.

This has occurred mostly in the last 5 to 10 years.

The situation is growing worse.

In addition, here in my rather poor locale, there are MANY people making their living doing "jobs that Americans won't do" unless they have been displaced by illegals.

Unskilled and semi-skilled labor is taking a real hit, and people are getting fed up with it!
85 posted on 05/08/2006 2:01:15 PM PDT by EEDUDE (A penny saved is......a penny Congress overlooked.)
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To: in hoc signo vinces

You know what, i don't think its Bush's fault. But the push for a guest working and amnesty program yet again is. He's not standing up doing what's best for the contry. His answer was you can't deport these people. He and the Repulicans in congress need to advocate following the law. Not rewarding law breakers.

I really feel like this, they figure they got 40 million new voters here and they are all pandering. Why 40 million because everyone you start on the road that eventually leads to citizenship means they can bring their family member to the contry legally.

I am a naturalized American. It took us 7 years to finalize my paperwork and it costed my parents and my grandparents alot of money to do this. I take huge offense and these people that don't want to follow the law and the lawmakers who don't want to follow the law.

They really have jumped the shark here and i think this is a huge turning point for the country.


86 posted on 05/08/2006 2:01:51 PM PDT by genxer
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To: genxer
My comment was not that we conservatives should vote for a RAT, traitor but rather that we need to field a conservative challenger, no matter what Bush/Rove say as that will be the only candidate that a conservative can consider voting for. I fear that many disheartened conservatives will have "pressing engagements" come election day - which will in effect, give us a RAT.

I've personally held my nose once too often and voted for a Republican even when he/she was far more liberal than the RAT running. Somehow this insanity must be stopped.

87 posted on 05/08/2006 2:03:19 PM PDT by zerosix (Romans 5:8)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Our property taxes have gone through the roof, too.. we voted in a tax over-ride for our schools this year and it was just dropping good money after bad; did no good... our hospital you have to wait hours to be triages and seen by someone...
88 posted on 05/08/2006 2:03:23 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: EEDUDE

Sort of like NOLA where they are paying illegals $12 an hour to do "jobs American's won't do." /sarc


89 posted on 05/08/2006 2:04:45 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: EEDUDE

Indiana?? My God, now they have the midwest too.


90 posted on 05/08/2006 2:06:26 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: zerosix

"Somehow this insanity must be stopped.


87 posted on 05/08/2006 2:03:19 PM PDT by zerosix (Romans 5:8)


Vote the globalist SOB's out!


91 posted on 05/08/2006 2:08:19 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: in hoc signo vinces
I am not in the "open border" crowd. I am in the anti-hysteria...this has been around for 30 years...why is this now being used to bash bush crowd, understand?

What we are seeing is unprecedented. It didn't just happen on Bush's watch, but over decades. We are witnessing an invasion. Based on US census data, the number of states where Mexican-born residents are the largest group increased from 18 in 1990 to 30 states today. One out of every 8 Californians was born in Mexico and about one out of every three Californians is Hispanic.

The foreign-born population of the United States is currently 33.1 million, equal to 11.5 percent of the U.S. population. Of this total, the Census Bureau estimates 8-9 million are illegal immigrants. Other estimates indicate a considerably higher number of illegal immigrants, 20 to 25 million. \

Approximately 1 million people receive permanent residency annually. In addition, the Census Bureau estimates a net increase of 500,000 illegal immigrants annually.

The present level of immigration is significantly higher than the average historical level of immigration. This flow may be attributed, in part, to the extraordinary broadening of U.S. immigration policy in 1965. Since 1970, more than 30 million legal and illegal immigrants have settled in the U.S., representing more than one-third of all people ever to come to America's shores.

At the peak of the Great Wave of immigration in 1910, the number of immigrants living in the U.S. was less than half of what it is today, though the percentage of the population was slightly higher. The annual arrival of 1.5 million legal and illegal immigrants, coupled with 750,000 annual births to immigrant women, is the determinate factor— or three-fourths— of all U.S. population growth.

We have lost control over our borders, which, after 9/11, is unacceptable. We can't allow our intake of immigrants to be determined by anyone who can cross the border. The reason that the problem of illegal immigration is becoming more visible has more to do with the growing number of illegals than it has to do with alarmists. It is a problem no longer confined to the border states. many

92 posted on 05/08/2006 2:09:25 PM PDT by kabar
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Yeah...that's right...I am the one claiming that Mexafornia is going to exist.

A lot of folks in the illegal camp feel that way. And Kosovo shows what happens when separatist passions are coupled with massive population growth of the same demographic.

I am the one lacking common sense in thinking that maybe, just maybe, Bush hasnt advocated amnesty

No, but history shows what he is promoting amounts to a de facto amnesty.

...do a little research...that is a wild claim, and a perpetuated myth on these threads by those looking to bash the administration on immigration. That maybe, DHS has increased funding to border control

Not nearly enough in a post-911 world.

But, my point, the current situation is being fueled by political opportunists with little or no real solution to the problem (or worse wild hair brained ideas), only an agenda to remove the Republican leadership...sick of that krap.

Sorry, but most folks I see on my side would like nothing more than for Bush to do his job in securing the border. They have come to this point because of Bush's actions, not because of some ulterior agenda. And Bush could arrest this overnight by dropping his guest worker program and coming out soundly behind the House bill.

But what has he done? Caucaused with Senate Dems and RINOs while excluding Senate conservatives.

I could go on...but my blood pressure can't take the intellectually dishonest people who routinely post on the threads about "doomsday" illegal immigration

As you disparage the motives of those against illegal immigration? Spare me the righteous indignation.

93 posted on 05/08/2006 2:10:25 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Mount Athos

"Activists who take the toughest stance against illegal immigration have formed too many groups to count, and more seem to crop up every week."

That this isn't recognized by the office holder as the threat that it actually is to the office holders authority and power is very possibly an indication of a rather steep dropoff in the intelligent cunning once found in Office Holders in general.

It also indicates a weak grasp of History.


94 posted on 05/08/2006 2:11:32 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: in hoc signo vinces

"plenty of Mexicans have assimilated into the US over the years."

If they come in legally and assimilate I don't think many on this board would have ANY problem with that. I certainly don't.

I spent many summers on my uncle's ranch in Mexico (State of Chihuahua) as a youth.

I really liked all the Mexicans that I worked with and came into contact with while there. They are mostly good, hard working people.

What I really don't like is paying for ILLEGALS with our tax dollars while subsidizing corporations use of cheap labor.

THAT IS NOT FAIR TO AMERICANS OF ANY ETHNIC BACKGROUND!!!


95 posted on 05/08/2006 2:11:38 PM PDT by EEDUDE (A penny saved is......a penny Congress overlooked.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

My brother's daughter is a registered nurse in Maryland. She says they are getting a lot of Mexican walk-ins. They have no money or insurance y ellos no haban Ingles. And it's the same situation here in the Ohio river valley.
Now,somebody's paying for those ER visits, and it sure ain't Presidente Fox.
I consider *that* state of affairs to be "sinister", and I refuse to allow pseudo-cons to smear me as a bigot or racist because I don't want to pay for the medical treatment of foreigners here breaking our laws.
For anyone who takes exception to that, next time you're in a restaurant, when it comes time to pay the tab ask the waitress to give it to someone of a different race. When they object, accuse them of racism . . . there it is.
Life is so much simpler for liberals you know. They're right about everything, of course, and we're monsters. Or bigots or `xenophobes'. (la de da)
When the OBLs start losing the argument, they start with the name calling. I'm used to that with leftys, I just don't expect to hear that kind of stuff here.


96 posted on 05/08/2006 2:14:49 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: EEDUDE
Same here in Mid Michigan. I've been in the building business most of my life, but in the past 5 years the illegal aliens have become large numbers and have put a strain on the business. Between the contractors that work them and them out operating under the law themselves it has put many Americans out of work along with many contractors that would not work the illegals.
97 posted on 05/08/2006 2:15:06 PM PDT by TC Builders
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To: dirtboy

"As you disparage the motives of those against illegal immigration? Spare me the righteous indignation."

Bout time somebody said it. BUMP!


98 posted on 05/08/2006 2:15:41 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: in hoc signo vinces

How can anyone be copmfortable that the DOHS be responsible for our security when it was created by the ultraliberal Rand Corporation and the NGO CSIS,and they are receiving huge grants from the government to set it up and run it?


99 posted on 05/08/2006 2:17:54 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: TC Builders

"Between the contractors that work them and them out operating under the law themselves it has put many Americans out of work along with many contractors that would not work the illegals."

Tens of thousands of American construction workers have lost their jobs just in California.


100 posted on 05/08/2006 2:18:07 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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