Posted on 05/04/2006 8:53:59 AM PDT by StevenB
Things can change.
ping
You said:
"I guess maybe some of have a different definition of "the people" than you do. To me "the people" refers to US citizens, not citizens from every other country on the earth especially illegal aliens."
Think what you will, but since the very earliest days of the Republic the courts have recognized that when the Constitution refers to "the people" it refers to those who reside in the United States (allowing for the exception for slaves, - that's always a given and I'll not waste time in this or any future post referring to it) The fact that the Constitution discerns between citizens and "the people" clearly reflects that. The Bill of Rights repeatedly refers to the "the people", while, for instance, as in Article II, it demands that the President be a "citizen" of the U.S. When the Constitution was adopted there was no such thing as an illegal alien since the U.S. had no immigration laws - in fact, we didn't until late in the 19th century.
Legally, the issue of who is covered by Constitutional protections while in the United States is not in dispute, nor has it ever been in any significant fashion, nor will it ever be.
So, in all seriousness, don't waste your time getting your undies in a bundle over it. That's how it is, along with a great many other things that annoy us.
Now, if you want to take up a fight, let's make sure that Constitutional protections are not extended to aliens who are not in the United States, such as those at Gitmo.
APilgrim
More likely, rather than having to make a hard decision that will have one side or the other pissed off at them, they will find an excuse to be elsewhere and let things happen as they will
Too many cops are civil service union workers. Their objective is to make sure they get home tonight and every night thereafter, and that they don't get involved in any incident that prevents them from collecting their pensions.
I want to set the record straight. I listened to the show, and both the caller and the cop agreed on the events. No guns were brandished, and a gun may or may not have been seen by the 911 caller. It was part of a "holster" that was evidently glimpsed.
Some are calling into question the judgement of people bringing legally concealed firearms to an illegal immigrant rally. Remember, this is Seattle, where the police sat back and watched while a young man, Kris Kime, was beaten to death for trying to save a young woman from being assaulted. The Kime incident, like the rally, had racial overtones, which is why the police did not intervene to help the victim. So ask yourself, would you trust the Seattle police to do anything to help you if you were attacked by illegal Mexican immigrants?
This is a classic example of why the founding fathers put the 2nd amendment in the Bill of Rights. Without the means to defend themselves, people would be too intimidated to voice their opinions, thus being forced to abnegate their 1st amendment rights.
It is truly appalling to see people on a conservative forum denouncing American citizens for exercising their consitutional rights. This attitude shows why the government is all too willing to ignore the will of the people on issues like immigration.
I have nothing but contempt for those who support locking up Americans for legally taking a stand in support of their country and the law. Does anyone else see the irony of law-abiding Americans being locked up while thousands of ILLEGAL foreigners demonstrate their defiance of our sovereignty and our laws?
This is sickening.
VERY well put! Bravo.
Well stated. I remember it well.
I live in the area. A few years back there was an episode where a high school(?) (if I remember correctly) party was crashed by a bunch of Mexican thug types who upon entering announced "we are here to kick white peoples ass" then proceeded to assault as many as possible. Of course the racial part of this was left out of local news, it did make local Conservative talk radio.
Point is Seattle has serious racial problems. I do not blame these folks for packing at all.
"So, American citizens can violate the law, just not non-American citizens, in your opinion?"
The Americans were not violating any laws, while the illegal aliens were.
"Illegal aliens actually to have the Constitutional right to peaceably assemble."
Bull$**t. Illegal aliens are breaking the law every day they remain in the USA, just by being here. They do not have the right to even BE here. They do have the right to leave.
The ACLU will not help them. I was in a similar situation, not involving illegals and we got NO support what so ever from the ACLU.
Here it is, turkey.
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am1.html
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,
and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The key term is "...the people...". This refers to the people of the United States of America (it's citizens and legal residents), not alien invaders.
You must have a different definition of "Constitutional right" than I and every federal Court have.
Whom did the police detain in this story?
I'm not a Seattle cop, but I will gladly defend their actions in this situation over the "American citizens just exercising their consitutional rights" and trust the police with no reservations - I will let TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig address the Kime incident.
"Is it possible to purchase that 'currency'? I have tons of uses for it."
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Here's a link to the "currency":
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I've been reading your posts and I can't help but wonder, what is the country of your birth?
United States of America, you?
"I'm not a Seattle cop, but I will gladly defend their actions in this situation over the "American citizens just exercising their consitutional rights" and trust the police with no reservations - I will let TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig address the Kime incident."
Are you a Seattle city attorney? Your support for the illegal aliens and inherent suspicion of the arrested Americans is curious.
In fact, your attitude is about exactly what one might expect from Seattle's administration, which has repeatedly used the police for political purposes, and then misleadingly claimed to support the police for the very actions they ordered the police to take.
However, my bet is you are simply committed to the immigrant supremacist movement, and you are willing to support the jailing of its opponents, which is exactly what happened. The supreme irony is that the law arguably provides for the jailing of people who materially support illegal immigration.
Keep that in mind.
Then why do you side with the illegal aliens on every thread?
You are just plain wrong.
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