HONOLULU: Legislators Approve Tough Smoking Ban

To: Gabz; sergeantdave

I think the Sarge has met some of our finest.

41 posted on 05/04/2006 9:52:30 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)

To: Sunshine Sister

"When all the smokers have been "delt with" who are the antis going to move on to? I can think of any number of future victims."

I really believe they think they are exempt, that they do no wrong.

42 posted on 05/04/2006 9:57:20 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)

In Delaware, for example, if you have 3 violations of ANY law, not just liquor laws, or smoking bans, or health codes - a liquor license holder is brought before the Alcohol Commission and can lose their liquor license. They are the only businesses that can be put out of business for violating the smoking bans.

It is the reason I have always stated that smoking bans are a back door to prohibition. A bar without a liquor license is no longer a bar.

I'm just saying that out of all the articles I have read about bars and smoking, they were slapped with a monetary fine.

I never heard of them being threatened over losing a liquor license.

And yes, I know, they are expensive.

43 posted on 05/04/2006 10:00:08 AM PDT by SheLion

Success fuels ambition.

44 posted on 05/04/2006 10:02:59 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)

To: BostonianRightist

Is that pinglist in comment #2 a smokers' rights pinglist? If so, mind adding me?

I got you added. Thanks!!!! :)

45 posted on 05/04/2006 10:09:53 AM PDT by SheLion

I'm just saying that out of all the articles I have read about bars and smoking, they were slapped with a monetary fine.

I never heard of them being threatened over losing a liquor license.

I don't believe I have seen too many articles on the issue either, but I am going based upon what the head of the Alcohol Beverage Commission (ABC) in Delaware stated during a public hearing after the ban went into effect. A hearing I attended, and spoke at.

I also recently spoke with an ABC agent in Virginia who told me that if a ban had gone into effect here, liquor licenses would be in jeopardy for violations of it. Same story in Maryland.

46 posted on 05/04/2006 10:53:06 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)

To: Gabz; SheLion; 383rr; mysterio

The governor is expected to approve the bill. She is a former smoker herself

Says it all. God save me from 'reformed' people.

47 posted on 05/04/2006 12:20:24 PM PDT by The Foolkiller (BSXL* The game that made the NFL irrelevant..)

So...let's see...they are therefore faced with the choice of....being put out of business....or...being put out of business. I got it.

48 posted on 05/04/2006 12:24:48 PM PDT by The Foolkiller (BSXL* The game that made the NFL irrelevant..)

"Even though I am a smoker I think the writing is on the wall for all of us smokers that it is time to give it up," Jim Cook said

Grow a spine, jim.

Yeah, I've said it before on these threads -the smokers with no balls who've been put on a guilt trip and made to believe they're subhuman are one of the biggest reasons these things pass with no problem. I wish to God you'd see americans become full of anger again-we need massive demonstrations in the streets demanding....oh, ...sorry...only illegal immigrants will do that.

49 posted on 05/04/2006 12:30:31 PM PDT by The Foolkiller (BSXL* The game that made the NFL irrelevant..)

To: The Foolkiller

So...let's see...they are therefore faced with the choice of....being put out of business....or...being put out of business. I got it.

You've got it exactly.

And with that I have to leave to take my daughter and her friend over to her friend's house and head for my bartending job - in a bar that permits smoking :)

50 posted on 05/04/2006 1:13:35 PM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)

Watch out for those drunks LOL But the government and the sheeple will probably get them next anyway.

51 posted on 05/04/2006 1:23:40 PM PDT by The Foolkiller (BSXL* The game that made the NFL irrelevant..)

To: The Foolkiller

"Says it all. God save me from 'reformed' people"

I think sometimes they are 100 times worse than the rest of the antis. They got to do what they wanted, then they harp at everyone else about how wrong it is.

Sometimes,( not always) they are the biggest hypocrites there are.

52 posted on 05/04/2006 1:50:56 PM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)

To: The Foolkiller

That's one of the biggest problems facing us- no one has the guts to tell these people where to stick it. We are in a very un-popular position these days; it seems that anyone not going with the flow is ridden into the dirt. It is very hard to stand-up for something, with all the flak you have to take.

Hell, I've been called a survivalist nutcase, freak, menace, nuts, crazy, insane, selfish, you name it.( most of us here have been called all that and worse) Of course, nothing worth doing is easy, especially taking the stands that we are. They see us as a speed-bump on the road to their socialist paradise, and they will try to run us right over. To not conform is our biggest sin, in their eyes.

53 posted on 05/04/2006 2:00:05 PM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)

To: SheLion; LynnHam

I'm sure the Hawaiians are real happy they elected a small government Republican after all these decades of rat rule.

*Sigh*

Add her name to the list of shame

*Mike Bloomberg Republican pushed a city ban before the state and is the ultimate anti-smoking Nazi

*NYC Councilman Odo (Staten Island) a Republican who introduced the New York City ban .

*All 38 Republican NYS Senators voted for the statewide ban (It should be noted that the GOP had a big 38-24 majority in that chamber) and George Pataki Republican governor signed it.

* John Rowland Republican Governor Connecticut also signed a total ban in his state.

* Mitt Romney Republican Governor of Massachusetts also signed a total ban in his state.

* As well Republican governor Lincoln Almond in Rhode Island

* And Republican governor James Douglas of Vermont

* Republican Linda Lingle of Hawaii is poised to sign a smoking ban in her state.

* Rep. Mike May (R-Parker) sponsord the bill to ban smoking in Colorado, Republican govenor Bill Owens signed it.

* Rep. Sen. Michael Waddoups (R-Taylorsville) sponsord the bill to ban smoking in Utah, Republican govenor Jon Huntsman signed it

* In Georgia in 2004, The Republican controlled house passed a smoking ban. It was stopped from becoming law by the Democrat controlled senate!!!!!!! In 2005 the Republicans took control of the Senate and Governorship and guess what? The newly Republican controlled Senate passed it and Republican Sonny Purdue Signed it.

* The chief sponsors of the Delaware smoking ban were Republicans Reps. Deborah Hudson (Fairthorne) and Robert J. Valihura Jr.(Edenridge). The smoking ban passed in the Republican controlled house, in fact the original bill exempted bars but the Republicans later added it.

*It was a Republican Senator Karl Turner (Cumberland) that originally sponsored the ban in Maine

* Senator Thomas Kean Jr.(R-Union) in New Jersey sponsored the bill to ban smoking in New Jersey

* Senator Bill Mims ( R-Loudoun) and Sen. J. Brandon Bell II (R-Roanoke) sponsored the bill to ban smoking in Virginia (Failed).

* State Rep. Barb Vander Veen (R-Allendale) is attempting to bring a smoking ban to Michigan

* State Rep. Doug Meslow, R-White Bear Lake is attempting to bring a smoking ban to Minnesota .

* Rep. Mark Gottlieb (R-Port Washington) and Sen. Alberta Darling (R-River Hills) are attempting to bring a statewide smoking ban to Wisconsin.

* Susan E. Cornell (R- Hatboro) and Jake Corman (R-Bellefonte) are trying to bring a smoking ban to Pennsylvania

* Senator Robert Odell (R-Lempster) attempted to bring a smoking ban to New Hampshire (but failed)

* Beulah Coughenour City Councilman, R-Indianapolis attempted (but failed) to bring a smoking ban to that city

* Kurt Odenwald, R-Shrewsbury attempted (but failed) to bring a smoking ban to St. Louis county.

Kind of makes me wonder why I bother to vote for "Smaller Government" Republicans.

54 posted on 05/04/2006 3:46:26 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)

Kind of makes me wonder why I bother to vote for "Smaller Government" Republicans.

And that's the truth!!!

55 posted on 05/04/2006 4:07:49 PM PDT by SheLion

This is the Republican idiot in Maine who pushed through the total smoking ban in this state. Meet the RINO Karl Turner!

Karl Turner, R-Maine

Marching in lockstep with Gov Baldacci, DemoRAT

56 posted on 05/04/2006 4:10:04 PM PDT by SheLion

Hawaii lawmakers have approved one of the strictest smoking bans in the country.

I can deal with it, I only go to bars and restaurants which are smoker friendly anyway. If and when a similar ban occurs where I live, then so be it, they will lose my money...........

Once word gets out, vacationers who smoke aren't likely to head to Hawaii any more. I don't know if travel agents will be informing them of this idiotic law or not but they certainly have an obligation to.

Aloha, Hawaii......Island of fools.......

57 posted on 05/04/2006 5:00:45 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My grandparents would be appalled at the number of idiots who consider themselves Americans....)

I can deal with it, I only go to bars and restaurants which are smoker friendly anyway. If and when a similar ban occurs where I live, then so be it, they will lose my money...........

When Maine forced a total smoking ban two years ago, that was the end of my going out to eat! I tried once, but ran through my meal so fast just so I could get back to my vehicle, it just wasn't worth the money.

I was a Government Travel Agent when Northwest started that smoking ban on all their airlines. I informed everyone before they booked on Northwest.

Aloha, Hawaii......Island of fools.......

United States - Run By Fools.....

58 posted on 05/04/2006 5:17:21 PM PDT by SheLion

To: BostonianRightist

How can they call themselves Republican if they won't let me open "Bostonian Rightist's Pub" and let my customers smoke? Aren't Republicans pro-business?

There are no Republicans in Boston.

59 posted on 05/04/2006 5:20:57 PM PDT by darkangel82

To: qam1; SheLion; 383rr

I don't vote for republicans any more. I vote for the person, usually Constitution party or Libertarian. I no longer care what happens to the two major partys.

60 posted on 05/04/2006 8:12:19 PM PDT by The Foolkiller (BSXL* The game that made the NFL irrelevant..)

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