The Mysterious Death of George Patton

Fox News ^ | 4/27/06 | Oliver North

[spanalot]

Was General Patton's death the result of a traffic accident or was he the victim of an assassination plot? (By Stalin)

[spanalot]

I think you missed the point. It has been proven in recently released Russian archives that the Famine Genocide in Ukraine was engineered by the Kremlin.

Whether there are any Russians in the Kremlin seems to be a matter of debate, but we will leave that decision to the reader.

"Kaganovich wrote to Stalin that the disruption of the grain requisitions was caused by "agents of counter-revolutionary Ukrainian organizations... As a consequence, in the latter part of 1932 the policy of Ukrainization was rescinded, the Ukrainian Party elite was purged,.... These punitive acts led millions of deaths and left deep scars on the future development of the Ukrainian nation. "

[Rockitz]

I love that scene in the movie Patton where he recites a verse from that over the site of an ancient battle.

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells like victory." ;o)

[spanalot]

"Then why are your loyalties to the Ukraine over the US"

Who said that? This post is about Patton invading and nuking Russia while we had the chance.

I think Patton was right. Do you think he was wrong?

[spanalot]

Just as a reminder, this is what Patton said about the Russians:

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RUSSIA AND RUSSIANS

We promised the Europeans freedom. It would be worse than dishonorable not to see they have it. This might mean war with the Russians, but what of it? They have no Air Force anymore, their gasoline and ammunition supplies are low. I've seen their miserable supply trains; mostly wagons draw by beaten up old horses or oxen. I'll say this; the Third Army alone with very little help and with damned few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them and it will take six years and cost us six million lives.

One form of securing testimony used by the Russians is to hang a man by his wrists with bandages so that they will not cut or marks will be left. Then, two small incisions are made into the lower abdomen to allow a portion of the intestines to hang out. After the man has taken all that he can stand without dying, he is cut down, the incisions are sewn up, and he is restored to health with the promise that the operation will not be repeated IF he does as he is told.

I believe that by taking a strong attitude with the Russians, they will back down. We have already yielded too much to their mongolian nature.

There are all kinds of low class slime who are trying and will continue to try to wreck this country from the inside. Most of them don't know it, but they are actually working for the Russians. Some of them do know it, though. It doesn't matter whether they call themselves communists, socialists, or just plain liberals. That is what they are doing.

The Russians are mongols. They are Slavs and a lot of them used to be ruled by ancient Byzantium. From Genghis Kahn to Stalin, they have not changed. They never will and we will never learn, at least, not until it is too late.

Poland is under Russian domination, so is Hungary, so is Czechoslovakia, and so is Yugoslavia; and we sit happily by and think that everybody loves us.

We have destroyed what could have been a good race of people and we are about to replace them with mongolian savages and all of Europe with communism.

General Anders of the Polish II Corps told me that if his Corps got between a German Army and a Russian Army he would have trouble deciding which direction to fight.

The one thing which I could not say then, and cannot yet say, is that my chief interest in establishing order in Germany was to prevent Germany from going communist. I am afraid that our foolish and utterly stupid policy in regard to Germany will certainly cause them to join the Russians and thereby insure a communistic state throughout western Europe.

If it should be necessary for us to fight the Russians, the sooner we do it, the better.

We could have arrived sooner but for the fact that if one flies over Russian occupied territory they shoot at you. Nice friends.

If we have to fight them, now is the time. From now on, we will get weaker and they will get stronger.

The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinese or a Japanese. From what I have seen of them I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russians have no regard for human life and they are all out sons of bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks.

It is said that for the first week after the Russians took Berlin, all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped. I could have taken Berlin if I had been allowed.

The Russians have a lot of new heavy tanks of which they are very proud. The Marshall asked me how I liked them. I said that I did not and we had quite an argument. Apparently I am the first person ever to disagree with him.

At the dinner I stated that in my opinion Germany was so completely blacked out that so far as military resistance was concerned, they were not a menace and that what we had to look out for was Russia. This caused a considerable furor.

I believe that Germany should not be destroyed, but rather should be rebuilt as a buffer against the real danger, which is Russia and it's Bolshevism.

Russia knows what it wants. World domination. And she is laying her plans accordingly. We, on the other hand, and England, and France to a lesser extent, don't know what we want and get less than nothing as the result.

Let's keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to the Russians. This is the only language that they understand and respect. If you fail to do this, then I would like to say that we have had a victory over the Germans, and have disarmed them, but we have lost the war.

I have never seen in any army at any time, including the German Imperial Army of 1912, as severe discipline as exists in the Russian Army. The officers, with few exceptions, give the appearance of recently civilized mongolian bandits. The men passed in review with a very good imitation of the goose step. They give me the impression of something that is to be feared in future world political reorganization.

[Romanov]

Those archives have been open for years and many Russians have written extensively about these Soviet crimes and about who ordered them and who carried out the order. You continue to chose to make this an "ethnic" issue when it was not - you also continue to deny or lessen the impact of the famine on Kazakhstan (which lost more population by percentage than the Ukraine) and Southern Russia.

Furthermore, you continue to dissemble and make claims which you can never back up (KGB interrogated you - parents were in the GULags) and use anti-American sources ("Zavtra" "Maidanua.org).

Your credibility is very suspect, especially in light of your fervent support of Ukrainian nationalists and continuous besmirching of American veterans.

My question to you is:

If you thought the Soviet Union was the enemy, why didn't you serve your country and help defeat them? And how do you sleep at night after disparaging American veterans who actually did heed the call to defeat our enemies?

[Tailgunner Joe]

The US Dept of Justice Nazi hunter (Loftus) provides ample evidence of Bandera's war crimes - and it's all at the Wiesenthal Center, btw.

Nice source.

The same guy exposed Bush's links to the nazis.

http://www.john-loftus.com/

BUSH-NAZI LINK CONFIRMED

[Romanov]

Your dissembling again - the tried and true tactic of someone who has something to hide.

But I'll answer this question:

"I think Patton was right. Do you think he was wrong?"

I think Patton's sentiment was right, but the practicality of it was wrong (as another poster pointed out - it would have been extremely difficult to carry out and not well received -added to that the weariness of our draftee Army already looking forward to going home)

Patton is important because he wasn't fooled by the "temporary" alliance (of necessity) with the Soviet Union and he correctly, years prior to the Cold War, pointed out that our threat was and remained to be from the Soviets.

[Romanov]

Don't know about the Bush claims (very suspect) but the Loftus reports about Bandera were backed by Israeli Nazi-hunters and they should know.

[x5452]

No it was ordered by the Kremlin, and a representative dispatched to INSTRUMENT it (maybe that's a big word for you it means MAKE IT HAPPEN).

He coordinated with a UKRANIAN and a POLE, and it is WELL DOCUMENTED they were responsible for putting the Soviet Government's PLAN into REALITY.

[x5452]

The faces that made the famine happen:

Stanislaw Kosior


Vlas Chubar

[AmericanDave]

"From 1940 to 1945 the USSR had built almost 160,000 aircraft, it had built equally impressive numbers of tanks which were superior to the US tanks."

I don't see you quoting how many total airplanes the U.S. built...LOL

And I told you how we were able to defeat the superior German tanks. No a lack of will is what we suffered. You think Patton didn't know better than YOU what the Soviets had at that time? Are you a retired General? LOL

[GarySpFc]

So what do you loyal american vets think about the theory that Patton was killed by the Russians?

Patton called the Soviets commie bastxds.

[Locomotive Breath]

Not much room in the Pacific for Patton's specialty: tank warfare. What I wonder: if Patton had lived would he have been sent to Korea to replace Mac after Truman fired him. The mind boggles.

[Locomotive Breath]

Ike deserves every credit he gets simply for preventing Patton from strangling Montgomery and vice versa.

[spanalot]

"And I told you how we were able to defeat the superior German tanks"

You are dead on target with our field artillary fuses! - Surprised the hell out of the Germans and would have done the same with the Russians

And did I mention we had a 4 year headstart on Nukes?

And what better reason to attack than to save the 40,000 POW hostages the Russians took.

[spanalot]

"Patton called the Soviets commie bastxds"

So I assume you agree that we should have beat back the Russians and avoided the Cold War?

[Locomotive Breath]

My F-i-L was a bombardier in B-17s and B-24s. According to him, after May '45, the attitude was - OK we beat Hitler. Can we go home now? Significant numbers were severely disgruntled at the prospect of having to go fight Tojo.

[Locomotive Breath]

My F-i-L was a bombardier in B-17s and B-24s. According to him, after May '45, the attitude was - OK we beat Hitler. Can we go home now? Significant numbers were severely disgruntled at the prospect of having to go fight Tojo.

[justshutupandtakeit]

The number of airplanes the Americans had in the European theater is the relevant factor. Most of ours were in the Pacfic. We produced about twice what the Soviets did during that period.

More important than the lack of political will for such an invasion was the lack of a political REASON to do so.

Patton had no reason to know the details of Soviet power and likely no one did outside the Kremlin. It is only decades later that such details emerge. But it matters not since any idea of invading our ally at that time is nothing but foolishness. It could NEVER have happened.

The US would not have even entered WWII but for a surprise attack and the Nazi declaration of war. Roosevelt had to use every trick in the book just to aid Britain. If a president who was almost worshipped couldn't bring America into this war how the hell could a president who was not even elected do so against an ALLY?

[AmericanDave]

Yes and our 'friend' (you know who he is), mentioned a large number of airplanes produced by the Russkies (as Patton said), here's the total numbers, and SUPRISE we produced TWICE AS MANY AS THE SOVIETS! Oops sorry justshutup....

World War II aircraft production From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from WW2 aircraft production) Jump to: navigation, search

World War II aircraft production by country and year.

Country 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 Total

UK 7,940 15,049 20,094 23,672 26,263 26,461 12,070 131,549

U.S. 2,141 6,086 19,433 47,836 85,898 96,318 46,001 303,713

USSR 10,382 10,565 15,735 25,436 34,900 40,300 20,900 158,218

Germany 8,295 10,826 12,401 15,409 24,807 40,593 7,540 119,871

Japan 4,467 4,768 5,088 8,861 16,693 28,180 8,263 76,320

Total 33,225 47,294 72,751 121,214 188,561 231,852 94,774 789,671

Proving that perhaps Patton DID know than mr shutupand...