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Why does Ethanol additives cause gas prices to rise?

Posted on 04/27/2006 11:21:18 AM PDT by John Geyer

Edited on 04/27/2006 11:47:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

I would assume that ethanol, being produced by fermenting American grown corn into a useable fuel, would make gas cheaper, not more expensive. Instead of making the price of gas rise, I would believe that it would fall because we are using a renewable, home grown form of fuel. I guess I'm an idiot for not understanding the reasons behind this, but I ask for someone with more experience to explain it for me. I was telling my father how ethanol would make gas cheaper, and now I feel like a complete moron. Help me understand.


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To: EternalVigilance
We need a motto.

Ethanol: It's about Energy Independence

Ethanol: It's about National Security

Ethanol: If Brazil can do it, so can we!

:>)

121 posted on 04/27/2006 3:10:02 PM PDT by Iowa Granny (One size fits all panty hose generally DON'T)
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To: thackney

You have made some very excellent points in this discussion.


122 posted on 04/27/2006 3:11:16 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: thackney
Sure...but I also generate more horsepower. If I were to add a supercharger, or mill the heads or lengthen the stroke, I could increase the horsepower even more, but I know me and I wouldn't then apply the increased horsepower to run fuel economy tests against gasoline engines of the same horsepower, I would go out and get into big trouble.

I might add that none of my family members have ever been killed by farm terrorists from Iowa.

123 posted on 04/27/2006 3:11:53 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Iowa Granny
How about

Ethanol: It's about Big Corn!

124 posted on 04/27/2006 3:11:58 PM PDT by Ditto (People who fail to secure jobs as fence posts go into journalism.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
I might add that none of my family members have ever been killed by farm terrorists from Iowa.

Time to clean my screen! LOL

125 posted on 04/27/2006 3:13:49 PM PDT by Iowa Granny (One size fits all panty hose generally DON'T)
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To: Ditto
Ethanol: It's about Big Corn!

And why is it you are overlooking Sugar Beets?

126 posted on 04/27/2006 3:15:52 PM PDT by Iowa Granny (One size fits all panty hose generally DON'T)
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To: Iowa Granny
If Brazil can do it, so can we!

Absolutely. In the couple decades Brazil has greatly increased their domestic oil production. We should follow their lead; open up ANWR, Bristol Bay, OCS and all coastal waters.

Ethanol provides about 15% of Brazil's vehicle fuel.

127 posted on 04/27/2006 3:29:26 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Mr. Lucky
I might add that none of my family members have ever been killed by farm terrorists from Iowa.

They probably haven't been killed by Alaskan or Domestic Offshore oil workers either.

128 posted on 04/27/2006 3:31:06 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

And if the promotion/production of Ethanol forces Big Oil to pressure Congress to lessen the EPA restrictions currently imposed when constructing new refineries and when opening new drilling sites here in the U.S., so much the better.

For many of us, this is about National Security and Energy Independence. I, for one, am willing to pay more (or trade down to a lower milage vehicle) for fuel if I know some 3rd rate Dictator isn't going to manipulate us via blackmail.

This country simply MUST do something to release ourselves from the grip foreign oil companies hold on us.


129 posted on 04/27/2006 3:40:17 PM PDT by Iowa Granny (One size fits all panty hose generally DON'T)
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To: Mr. Lucky
I might add that none of my family members have ever been killed by farm terrorists from Iowa.

Spot on!

130 posted on 04/27/2006 3:40:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: Ditto
Ethanol: It's about Big Corn!

"Big Corn"!?!?

ROFL...

Sorry, but American corn is overwhelmingly produced by family farmers.

And unfortunately, historically, way too much of it has been sold for a pittance, and ended up going down the Mississippi River on barges, for export to other countries to feed THEIR livestock.

It's much better to add value at home, by turning corn and soybeans into meat, and NOW, energy as well.

I love seeing the Midwest dotted with ethanol plants, mostly built and owned by family farmer-owned Co-ops, dotting the Fruited Plain.

131 posted on 04/27/2006 3:46:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: Iowa Granny

:-)


132 posted on 04/27/2006 3:50:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Sorry, but American corn is overwhelmingly produced by family farmers.

Probably true, I don't know for sure what a "family farmer" is. But they ain't Big Corn and if they are really just middle class families trying to run farm equipment and pay their bills, this ethanol scam is going to hurt them probably even more than it will hurt us.

This is Big Corn and these are the people who are picking our pockets.

133 posted on 04/27/2006 6:02:39 PM PDT by Ditto (People who fail to secure jobs as fence posts go into journalism.)
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To: thackney
I don't have a problem with increased production in Alaska, or off shore (or on shore) anywhere in America.

What I do have a problem with is helpless yuppies who whine and moan that any alternative to American boys dying to keep the Straits of Hormuz open will simply be too expensive to be bothered with unless it can be proven from the outset that it will be a magical solution which will, at one time, be painless, free and universal.

134 posted on 04/27/2006 6:17:24 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Ditto

OK, how does ethanol distillation hurt family farmers?


135 posted on 04/27/2006 6:19:02 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: John Geyer
Why does Ethanol additives cause gas prices to rise?
136 posted on 04/27/2006 6:24:12 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: tiger63
You are exactly right! This material can never be supplied by pipe line without a complete overhaul

Plus when gasoline is pushed thru a pipeline, different orders and /or blends are separated by a slug of water. With gasoline's Specific Gravity about 0.7 to waters 1.0 it separates out pretty fast and you get a very defined line of separation.

If I remember right, during the Peanut Man's Reign of Mess, they were selling ethanol blended gas. If I didn't put dry gas into my tank, here in Jersey, in the winter, my van would not start.

137 posted on 04/27/2006 6:36:17 PM PDT by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: fedupjohn

Dry gas is ethanol.


138 posted on 04/27/2006 6:42:42 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
Dry gas is ethanol.

As soon as I posted that, I started to think what you said. Now I don't know what I was putting into the tank, but the ethanol blend was adsorbing the condensate in my gas tank during the winter. Damn, now I have to think?

139 posted on 04/27/2006 6:57:34 PM PDT by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: Ditto

Your hardcore Leftwing source is unconvincing. They're long on criticism of everything, but completely short on facts.

I had lotsa laughs as I paged through their site, but this was the funniest one....the one that made me finally click outta there and go wash my hands:



"zPoint: Iraq policy and not military tactics is the reason for the Iraq quagmire. Cheney is behind its lack of realism and deception. He must be removed from the foreign policy loop or there is no chance of improvement. The military wants Rumsfeld removed.
Are we stuck in Iraq?

The US military believes we are stuck for another five years. The Bush Administration is trapped by the failure of its original neocon plan, its present re-cycled Vietnam strategies, and the harsh reality of the escalating civil war."


If you're going to be quoting sources such as that one, don't be surprised when you have no credibility around here.


140 posted on 04/27/2006 7:58:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Being conceived is NOT a capital offense!)
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