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Say Goodbye to $2 Gas
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER ^ | April 26, 2006 | ANDREW GALVIN

Posted on 04/27/2006 8:43:37 AM PDT by kellynla

Get used to it.

Gasoline at $2 a gallon has probably gone the way of 5-cent coffee and 15-cent cheeseburgers.

The grim facts are these: Demand for oil is rising around the globe, especially in Asia. Supplies are generally static. Unless something happens to put a damper on demand, simple economics dictate that prices have nowhere to go but up.

In the short term, however, we may get a break. Gasoline prices, now averaging more than $3 a gallon in Orange County, are expected to fall below that level around Memorial Day as refineries ramp up production after completing maintenance work, analysts say.

Here's a look at what's driving this week's higher prices at the pump:

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: energy; gas; oil
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To: Lord Washbourne
The oil companies are charging what the market will bear. What is wrong with that? Have you ever gone to your employer and said, "Hey boss, although the market says I'm worth $100,000, I'm only going to charge you $55,000 for my services this year, because $100,000 is just a total ripoff"? No, I didn't think so.

There is a BIG problem with your analogy.

The oil prices are traded on FUTURES not actual supplies so they are not charging what the market will bear. So, in order for your analogy to be true, you have to go to your employer and tell them that I am going to charge you $150,000 for my services...even though I'm really only worth $100,000...because in the future...I am SPECULATING I will be needed at a greater cost.

And that is what is happening here. Oil is not traded at what it is actually worth. If we actually paid what oil is worth per barrel and took speculations out of it...oil is actually a LOT cheaper. It is estimated that futures adds at least $30 per barrel. Now...how much were you paying per gallon when oil was trading at $40 per barrel? Well...that's about what you SHOULD be paying now if oil was traded on the supply market...and not as a futures.

21 posted on 04/27/2006 10:20:46 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: thackney
WHY ARE CALIFORNIA GASOLINE PRICES HIGHER AND MORE VARIABLE THAN OTHERS?

In other words, because the state is filled with leftist, tree-hugging, envirowackos.

Good for them! Glad, for the millionth time, I don't live there. Feel sorry for decent folks that do.

22 posted on 04/27/2006 10:22:08 AM PDT by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: NELSON111
It is estimated that futures adds at least $30 per barrel.

Estimated by whom? Certainly not those actually buying the futures, unless they're all in the habit of setting their money on fire. They believe oil prices will continue to rise; if you disagree you can bet against them and make an easy profit if you're right.

23 posted on 04/27/2006 10:25:42 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent (Chloe rocks)
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To: Huck

No. They wouldn't charge the same amount.

The reasons for higher gas prices at the pump right now are not that complex and there is no damn conspiracy:

1. Increased demand (summer in the USA, rapidly expanding economies in China and India)
2. Static supply
3. Market uncertainty because of Mid-East, African and South American political situations
4. Ridiculously inadequate refinery capacity and equally ridiculous refined fuel grade requirements that vary from locale to locale in the US
5. Confiscatory taxes

There is little to nothing that can be done about 1, 2 and 3 in the short term.

We could do something about 4 and 5, but the dems (and depressingly, a significant faction in the GOP) won't let us.

But, there is no conspiracy by Exxon/Mobile/BP and only drooling morons, low functioning retards and grandstanding politicians think that there is one.


24 posted on 04/27/2006 10:30:00 AM PDT by borkrules
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To: Huck

I'm guessing that eventually, they probably would jack the price up, but I imagine they would do it incrementally. This would at least give people some relief for a time, and it would make the govt look really good, especially at a time when it is badly needed.


25 posted on 04/27/2006 10:36:00 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Lord Washbourne

I doubt that any individual employee is absolutely necessary to almost everyone, while fuel is.


26 posted on 04/27/2006 10:38:22 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: ThinkDifferent
"Estimated by whom?" By some people in the oil industry...like Halbouty. They were discussing this on a local show and how a group of oil men had tried to stop the placing of oil on the futures market (because hasn't always been on the futures market) and in the course of the interview...this came out. When you run an ANALYSIS of the actual supply of oil and what it is worth...and take out the futures input...it's worth about $40 per barrel. That means speculation adds about $30 per barrel. The men in the industry have concluded (and I am sure the companies drilling and selling the oil aren't crying over it) that if they were to actually just sell a barrel as is...without any speculation at all...the price drops $30 per barrel because right now that is what the supply and demand will support.

That was their words...it's not mine. It was on KPRC...950AM.

27 posted on 04/27/2006 10:44:38 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111
Oil is not traded at what it is actually worth.

Oil is worth what someone will pay for it...and we will pay a lot. That is the problem with relying on outsiders to supply you with what is certainly a necessary commodity.
28 posted on 04/27/2006 10:53:18 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: borkrules

Agree.

My own gas-price-crisis measurement tool is traffic. When traffic starts getting lighter, then I'll believe we have a crisis.

The biggest reason that the gas price continues to go up is that people keeping buying it.


29 posted on 04/27/2006 10:53:51 AM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: kellynla

I think everybody complaining about oil profits and *greed* should be required to read that pie chart and be forced to explain what it means so they can't pretend they don't know or nobody told them.


30 posted on 04/27/2006 10:55:04 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Ramius

I think it's more like people have to buy it, than keep buying it.


31 posted on 04/27/2006 11:04:07 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

"With daily global demand roughly 85 million barrels per day, the world's oil producers have less than 2 million barrels per day of spare production capacity, and most of that is for Saudi blends of oil that are less ideal for manufacturing transportation fuels."
"http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/business/energy/3817761

Like I've said repeatedly, America needs to follow Brazil's lead and get off foreign oil dependency altogether. And follow France's lead who now generates 75% of their electricity from nuclear power.


32 posted on 04/27/2006 11:07:06 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Like I've said repeatedly, America needs to follow Brazil's lead and get off foreign oil dependency altogether. And follow France's lead who now generates 75% of their electricity from nuclear power.

Those both would be great starts. There was a great article in National Geographic last month about Nuclear energy's resurgence and how new technology will make it possible to create much more efficient reactors.

33 posted on 04/27/2006 11:12:06 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111
personally, I like the combination electrical/desalination/hydrogen generating plants like this:
Simultaneously Produces Electricity, Hydrogen & Drinking Water
http://www.aaenvironment.com/nuhydro.htm
34 posted on 04/27/2006 11:20:25 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: stuartcr
I think it's more like people have to buy it, than keep buying it.

I don't know how elastic the supply and demand curves for gas are, but nobody *has* to buy it. They buy it because they value the gas at least as much as they have to pay for it. So they buy it.

I'll back up a little: by saying it isn't a crisis I don't mean to say it isn't an annoyance. Of course it is. But there is an evolving new reality happening in the global demand for oil that we are adjusting to, and there simply is no way around it. Some of the adjustment will come by higher prices that don't come back down all the way. Some of the adjustment will be about changing some habits or changing some things away from oil-power to some other source.

That said, I don't know if the title on this thread is accurate or not, whether the price will go back down under $2. It might. But it might not.

35 posted on 04/27/2006 11:50:54 AM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: kellynla
Like I've said repeatedly, America needs to follow Brazil's lead and get off foreign oil dependency altogether. And follow France's lead who now generates 75% of their electricity from nuclear power.

I agree about the nuclear bit. We should've had many more of them than we do, and we can still fix that.

I'm not so sure that it matters where we buy our oil. In fact... if there is a national security component to this it would be to save our own reserves for even leaner times. If we're concerned that some foreign country is going to cut off our oil supply then we're better off taking as much of their oil as we can now, before they do. Then we'll still have plenty of our own supply left for when they do.

Just a thought.

36 posted on 04/27/2006 12:02:03 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: Ramius

Most people in the US, drive to work.....to me, that means they have to buy it.


37 posted on 04/27/2006 12:10:40 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Lord Washbourne

Oh come on.. that's the standard American way. Our companies are so nice and such good corporate citizens that we give back to them in our salaries.


38 posted on 04/27/2006 1:13:23 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Koblenz

Which is why honest, hard working Americans are leaving that forsaken state in droves.


39 posted on 04/27/2006 3:09:17 PM PDT by Emmet Fitzhume (America: Shining with brightness, Always on surveillance.)
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