Posted on 04/24/2006 4:48:22 PM PDT by robowombat
Speaking as an Alaskan, So do I.
We could develop our land and resources as we see fit and without interference from outsiders, greenies, and democrats.
Just selling the 10 Billion bbl's of oil in ANWR is worth 700 Billion at todays prices. I will leave it to your judgment weather we could build an independent country on an investment of that size.
is there any serious movement?
> Problem is when you fence the borders, Chicago will be caged in.
How is this a problem?
So am I. Thank you for posting this.
In addition to being strange, the author is just plain wrong. The U.S. military "wouldn't mow down San Franciscans"? Oh yes it would, and there would be milllions openly volunteering to join the armed forces to help cut down any such "secession". What Sale seems to forget is that even such ultra-liberal bastions as San Francisco have population that are roughly 25% Republican, give or take. None of those people would ever want to secede, and unless such a movement was essentially unanimous in any given area, the local government would have no moral standing to attempt to do so. That other 25% would have the right to compel their nation to come to save their freedom and soverignty from the tyranny of the majority, and we as Americans would have the unquestionable responsibility to save those people's right to live as Americans under an American flag. The Constitution's pretty clear about this.
What's funny is, up until Lincoln's assassination, the Government maintained that the Southern States never Seceded. They were simply "states in rebellion."
How can the government then force a state to apply for readmission to something they never left?
The Union handed the South it's victory after beating them on the battlefield.
Idiots then, Idiots now. Just now they are arrogant idiots.
May I strongly beg that New York city be added to that list of separations from the US. I'm sure Detroit and Nawlins could go it alone just fine too.
WEll, he does have a point.
it is hard to believe that Washington would actually command its troops to mow down Los Angelenos and San Franciscans the way they do the civilians of Fallujah and Najaf,
What a #4c%1ng loser. Our troops do not mow down civilians anywhere, no matter how much such action would be justified. The author gives away his intentions fairly quickly. I stopped reading at this point, and I don't care what he has to say.
If they secede let em go by counties, sparing those of us in "blue" states, but NOT in blue territory. If you look at the last election map, that leaves the Left a few South African style "homelands" where they can not feed themselves. Hell they will need a passport to get to the Walmart....
Never forget Waco! Never, ever, ever forget Waco!
Never deceive yourself into thinking that the government is your friend.
Never forget the first public murders committed by the Clintons and Reno!
Never forget the liberals who smugly announced that "Now we're going to get some serious gun control!"
Interesting sequence demonstrates theological degeneration:
Democracies were they? I would say the "great death machines" of the 20th century were Russia (communist), Germany (socialist), China (communist), and Cambodia (communist). Where are the "death machine" democracies?
You mean like Nazi Germany, Tojo's Japan, Mao's China, Stalin's Soviet Union, Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge...? Please help me out here. Which of those were democracies?
Sale says some crazy things about WMDS, the economy, foreing policy, and other matters, but as far as the legality of secession, he hits the nail on the head.
Secession should be a last resort, but when the constitutional limits have totally disasppeared and every other means has been tried, secession is the states' trump card. By quashing it, Lincoln essentially empowered the Federal government to exercise absolute power.
Just read your note about Lincoln being right based on "we the people", not "we the states".
This is a very curious viewpoint.
"The people", en mass, did not create, nor do they modify the Constitution.
The Constitution was created when States sent representatives to the Convention; it was only effected when ratified by THE STATES--- NOT "the people" in general.
The federal government has ONLY powers delegated to it by the STATES, when they ratify an amendment.
The federal government, therefore, is not superior to the States, but only an agent of the States.
As the author clearly stated, for many, many years, States passed acts of nullification- if effect, telling the federal government to KISS OFF.
Lincoln was a tyrant. There is no other explanation for his actions. Like all tyrants, he abused his power to force a government on a large group of people who wanted liberty from that government. Just like King George, and Mao, and Stalin.
BINGO!
While many people rightly believe government can only posses the authority given to it by the People, no one can explain where the right to force a State to stay in the Union can be found.
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A visitor to your home cannot be forced to stay past the point in which he wishes to leave. If, as individuals, we do not have the legitimate authority to force someone to associate with us against their will, how could we ever have given that power to the State governments? If the State governments can't posses that power, how did they give it to the federal government?
The beast we live under today is a far cry from the Freedom of the Founders.
PRE'AMBLE
1. Something previous; introduction to a discourse or writing.
2. The introductory part of a statute, which states the reasons and intent of the law.
The Preamble is an introduction to, but not part of, the legal text of the Constitution.
It is merely a statement of purpose.
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