Indian intervention in Nepal

4/22/06 | minus_273

[minus_273]

A little update for freepers tracking events in Nepal. It now appears that the state might collapse. Two things are currently happening. First, my contacts in Kathmandu valley report that the political parties and Maoist alliance are pushing for a republic and second, waves of (yes, uniformed) Maoist fighters have now entered the capital from the outlying hills and are now controlling parts of the valley outside the city's beltway. Fighting is confirmed in the following areas of the city Thapathali, Maitighar and Bhotaity.

From a strictly historical perspective, this looks very very bad. We've seen all of this before. It appears that the seven political party alliance which goes by SPA has been manipulated as predicted. In all likelihood, there will be much more combat in the city soon. If the Royal Army loses, the result will not be the democratic republic the SPA wanted but a communist one.
The King is close to China and the SPA/Maoist alliance operates out of India. .

My connections in the Indian military (yes, I have a few) say there are plans for an invasion. This would be in the event of a Maoist takeover. Indians have their own problems with Maoists and whatever their reasons for supporting the SPA/Maoist alliance, the outcome will be pretty bad for them. Nepal is close to some parts of India with Maoist violence (Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand. Maharashtra and Bihar). A Maoist victory in Nepal will not only embolden those India but create a training an staging area in Nepal.

The Indians have changed sides. Previous governments of the nationalist BJP supported crushing the Maoists however, the socialist Congress party which now runs the country moved the other way. It was probably a gamble intended to put pressure on a hostile king and seems to have gone horribly wrong.

I expect an invasion and unfortunately, that seems the best possible outcome.

[CarrotAndStick]

Indians are not a race. The Mongoloid race is not alien to India.

[Gengis Khan]

Losar is also celebrated in Ladak, Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim and in Himachal Pradesh in India.

[minus_273]

i dont make up the stuff. I just study it. Books are a better source of history than the net. Nepali royalty , tibetan and chinese ones used to intermarry. that says a lot. Nepali royalty also married indian royalty but to a much lesser extent.
by the way the temple i showed you was not a buddhist one it was pashupati nath (shiva) a hindu one. outsiders are not allowed or allowed to take photos but there is a buddha statue inside too. It is also the main temple of the country and reportedly houses part of one of shiva's avatars. Swyambu is the other major stupa and that is buddhist.



the two are usually superimposed to represent the country. like this :


so you see, you are ignorant and just making yourself look like a fool.

[Gengis Khan]

BTW there are 4 million Tibetans all over India not just in Darjeeling, Siliguri and Dharmashala but also in all the major metro cities. Plus we have Buddhist of Tibetan descent in Ladak, Sikkim, HP, Uttranchal, and Arunachal Pradesh (Remember Tawang monastry?).

[minus_273]

for what is is worth nor are chinese a race. Han chinese is a very diverse group who look very different lumped into one category.

There is a perception of what chinese is and there is a perception of what an indian is and the two are not the same.

[Gengis Khan]

Look if you want to believe that the architectural styles resembles China more than India, its totally up to you, but the fact is we have much more temples (with exactly the same architectural style) on the Indian side as compared to Nepal.

[CarrotAndStick]

You can find similar architectural features in temples all over India, and on awider area, in Thailand, Cambodia and much of the rest of SE Asia.


For what it's worth, China isn't exactly anywhere near as diverse as India or the United States, or even Europe, for that matter.

[minus_273]

Its not up to me. There is a distinctly indian stlye which is not used much in nepal. at no point have i said the pagoda style is not used in India. I said it is not the style of indian temples. follow that link and look at the ancient temples and tell me they look like nepalese temples .

[minus_273]

"For what it's worth, China isn't exactly anywhere near as diverse as India or the United States, or even Europe, for that matter."

agreed. i think our discussion of temple styles in india easily establishes that.

[sagar]

But the contact from India has been far greater than the contact from Tibet.

[Gengis Khan]

 

I dont know what you mean by "Indian" temples but these temples you see here are as much "Indian".

 

 

Buddhist temple in Himachal Pradesh

 

Jokhang Temple in Dharmashala   Tibetian Monastery at Ghoom  

Buddhist Temples at Bodhgaya

Tawang monastry Arunachal Pradesh

 

[sagar]

The pagoda architecture went from Nepal to Tibet and finally to China. Remember Arniko.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arniko

[sagar]

"Nepal is traditionally in the chinese sphere of influence. "

Nepal is NOT in the chinese sphere of influence. Chinese influence on India is ZERO. Nil. Nada. There is Tibetan influence. And Tibetan culture is influenced by Nepali culture, which is derived from Indian culture whether we like India or not.

[Gengis Khan]

More here

 

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/far_northeast_india_photos_group_two.htm

 

Pemayangste-Gangtok

 

Rumtek Monastry

 

 

 

 

Dzogchen monastery in India

 

 

Thiksey monastery, Ladakh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Norbulingka Monastery Dharmashala

  Hemis monastry, Ladakh

Buddhist monastry south india.

Phyang Monastry (Ladak) India

Thiksey Monastry, India

Thikse Monastery (India)

Phuktal Monastery (India)

[gafusa]

There is heavy Tibetan influence in Nepal, a good thing for India. Millions of Tibetans live in India, after fleeing the genocidal invasion and occupation of Tibet by the Han Chinese under the PRC. Most Tibetans bitterly resent the Han Chinese, but there are very fewer of them left in Tibet, most have been driven out by Chinese settlers.

[minus_273]

yeah i linked to an article about him earlier.

[minus_273]

especially in Kathmandu valley where the local population (newari) is directly descendent from tibetans

[roadrunner96]

That Tibetan writing looks a lot like that from India too.

Oh, and antoher note to all; the BBC have been reporting on this, lead story on their website about every day lately.

[sagar]

Newaris are not directly descendents of Tibetans. People like Sherpas and Bhotiyas are. Newars have far more complex history, since they have lived in Kathmandu(a crossroad) for thousands of years.

[dljordan]

I was there for a while in 92' and they were having problems then. This is a Chinese takeover for sure. The commies are threatening Bhutan too.