Victor Davis Hanson: Globalization, Ancient and Modern

realclearpolitics.com ^ | April 20, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

[itsahoot]

Bad immigration control?

Nope, decadence. What can you say about a society that enjoys(tolerates) the slaughter of thousand of people in the arenas. Sex was pretty much reduced to poker and pokee.

[itsahoot]

Actually the Roman Empire survived at least as a ghost until Napoleon time.

The question was and remains. Where are they now?

Of course if you believe Scriptural prophecy, they will rise again.

[RobbyS]

The Romans are us.

[FierceDraka]

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[FierceDraka]

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent

Ahh, the sage advice of Hober Mallow, Mayor of Terminus. ;-D

[FierceDraka]

And Napoleon was not French, rather Corsican. Part of Italy.

[itsahoot]

The Romans are us.

fraid so.

[the anti-liberal]

I've had this tagline for maybe six months now - yet, if you're not the first to recognize that quote, you're certainly the first to have stated it.

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[GeorgefromGeorgia]

The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, Roman or an Empire. Charlemagne made a deal with the Pope, that if the Pope would crown him Emperor of the HRE that he would cede to me large tracks of land in central Italy. This became the "Papal States" and retarded the unification of Italy for years. The HRE did have some resemblance to the Roman Empire during Charlemagne's time, but Charlemagne was not able to hold on to his conquests for long. He never established the same power and unity that Rome did. Also, during Medieval times, learning, engineering, science, etc were not up the Roman standards.

In my opinion Napoleon's short lived "Empire" was more like Charlemagne's than Roman. Napoleon was constantly fighting in Spain, Central Europe or Russia. Napoleon was no Hitler, but his Empire was contrary to the principles of freedom set out in the American and French Revolutions (early). He did bring some unity to Europe (much of Europe got together to fight him). Be glad that he lost, imagine the French trying to run Europe.

[Reily]

Basically Gadaffi is some tribal tribal chieftain from a by-gone age(Unfortunately all too common as national leaders in the 3rd world). People of his ilk are like the German tribal chieftains that Tacitus described, meaning they are either at your feet or at your throat dependent how much power you wield.
Gadaffi is a shrewd operator, he was a 3rd World revolutionary when there was something to be gained for being a 3rd World rebel (Basically something to be gained from the USA vs USSR rivalry.) He even had a "Little Green Book" in imitation of Mao's "Little Red Book", also for awhile that book was more important then the Koran in Libya. Then with the rise of Islamic terrorism ,he was a Islamic terrorist supporter & enabler (Lockerbie & Berlin Disco). Of course all the while crushing any Islamist organizations within Libya. Now he again finds the need to redefine himself, the USSR is gone (No superpower rivalry to exploit!) and the new threat is as much a threat to him as to us. Also his internal oil industry infrastructure is all 1970s Soviet technology and crumbling. His sons are supposedly western educated and oriented. They do make the right noises. Gadaffi does want to see that his family remains in power. We shall see.

[RobbyS]

Be that as it may, the Holy Roman Empire--really the German-Roman Empire was a sucessor to the Christian Roman Empire founded by Constantine. Charlemagne revived the office of western emperor and it was revived again in the 10th century. The very title "Kaiser", which is translated as emperor, is the German form of Caesar.

[Little Ray]

And didn't hesitate make a profit off of loot, tribute, and slaves.

[DuncanWaring]

That too.

[SunkenCiv]

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[blam]

The incident of red-hair is the same in Libya as it is in Ireland.

[tpaine]

sd-joe:
Bad immigration control?

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Itsahoot:
Nope, decadence.

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Nope, bad political control. -- In a bit over 200 years they went from a Republic, to "Democracy", to dictatorship.

Sound familiar?

[guinnessman]

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[Tolik]

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