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To: Fester Chugabrew
"The non-fixity of species has already been observed in real time. How can I disagree with it?"

YEC says otherwise. By *non-fixity* I am saying there is no magical barrier that stops a population from continuing to diverge from the parent species. You don't accept that.

"Common descent has also been observed in the present day."

Don't be coy. You know I am talking about common descent of all life (though the picture could be fuzzier at the tree). For example, that we share a common ancestor with apes goes against YEC. Yet, it is a claim of evolutionary theory. You don't accept that.

"To begin with, you see from the above that I subscribe to the tenets of evolution to some degree."

And I have shown you don't.

"My only questions regard the limits within which evolution takes place."

Uh huh.

" I also subscrbe to the literal accuracy of the biblical texts, including a creation that only took seven literal days."

That rules out evolutionary theory. The earth is 4.5 billion years old.

"Due to my literal understanding of the biblical texts you say I cannot be an evolutionist of any stripe, but that plainly does not follow. I am a theistic evolutionist."

No your not. You're a YEC, which cannot be reconciled with evolutionary theory. You can't keep rewriting the definition of words. They already had meanings.
631 posted on 04/17/2006 6:31:53 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
YEC says otherwise. By *non-fixity* I am saying there is no magical barrier . . .

The biblical texts do not specifically address fixity of species except with the words "according to their kind." Science has a hard time defining what constitutes a "species" let alone a "kind." I figure there will be some latitude amidst kinds, much as the human race as observed today contains everything from dwarfs to giants; white to black, and much in between. The biblical texts would not propose any kind of "magical barriers." God is the source of everything natural, just the way it is.

For example, that we share a common ancestor with apes goes against YEC.

Not really. A Common Creator will quite obviously produce a result that could be construed as common descent. As for the history involved, yes, I disagree. And that is because no record of history denotes a gradual progression from ape forms to human forms. The best evidence is always in fossils and bones for some reason, but never in written records by those who themselves conduct science, namely humans.

The earth is 4.5 billion years old.

While that assertion resides within the hearts of many, it has not been empirically proven. Take some time to study the nature and concept of time, and put it together with quantum mechanics. What we are faced with in this life is too tentative to make an assertion such as yours as if it were a hard boiled fact.

At bottom, I fit the definition of theistic evolutionist, but if you care to strip me of that title I will not be ashamed in the least.

636 posted on 04/17/2006 6:58:18 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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